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Author Topic:   Standing Alone: the Great Pyramid
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Message 65 of 77 (387482)
02-28-2007 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Brian
02-28-2007 4:34 PM


Re: couple of qs
Don't you think that Isaiah is a weird place to have this reference. I would have thought that Exodus would be more appropriate:
They built the store cities of Pithom and Rameses, and a mother of a pyramid in the midst of the land.
Can you tell me if my thinking is correct here?
Since it is in Isaiah the point is moot.
Brian: where did you get this rendering; "and a mother of a pyramid in the midst of the land"?
I subscribe to an early GP erection (circa 10,000 BC). We know Egypt arose after the Flood circa 3000 BC.
You are claiming that Yahweh got the Egyptians to enslave the Israelites and have them build a tomb for Cheops?
Negative.
I am saying that Enoch built the GP to encapsulate Biblical claims before they were written; thus confirming that the Literary claims have not been corrupted.
The GP was built before Egypt surfaced as a civilization.
Brian: how do you explain the fact that no heiroglyphics written in the GP but the same covers all other pyramids?
Are you familiar with the writings of I.E.S. Edwards?
Ray

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Message 66 of 77 (387485)
02-28-2007 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by PaulK
02-28-2007 2:35 PM


Re: Getting Back to the OP Issue
I refer you to my previous post - I note that you do not dispute that the simple existence of an ascending passage is not unique.
Yes it is.
The evidence of the interiors shows that only the GP has ascending passages.
The Great Pyramid is different in degree, not kind. It represents the height of Egyptian pyramid building in terms of the resources and time dedicated to building it, but that seems to be all. I see no reason to propose that there is anything wrong with the conventional view.
I have asked a simple question, which I will repeat: Based on the OP links showing the GP to have ascending passages and all the others have none; what is YOUR explanation? How come not even ONE other pyramid has what the GP has?
I find your explanation wanting and unsatisfying (to say the least).
We (= pyramidologists) conclude that this is prima facie evidence supporting the conclusion that Egypt did not build the GP (unlike all the others).
The Egyptian Book of the Dead calls the GP the "pillar of Enoch." They admit that they did not build it.
Ray

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Message 70 of 77 (387619)
03-01-2007 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by PaulK
02-28-2007 6:15 PM


Re: Getting Back to the OP Issue
I have produced counter examples.
Negative.
You have "produced" unsupported assertions. Why don't you just SHOW me and back up those unsupported assertions?
My explanation is that it is not true.
I know you disagree; can you tell us why?
Why does the GP have an extensive passage system that includes ascending passages unlike ALL others which have NONE?
You should stick to your previous explanation, which was the GP was the product of the concerted effort of all of Egypt's resources; unlike the others which did not get the same national attention.
This is a very poor explanation since the 2nd and 3rd pyramids are of commensurate size but have no passage system to speak of.
Ray

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Message 71 of 77 (387621)
03-01-2007 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Brian
03-01-2007 1:46 PM


Re: couple of qs
I know, but the context of the chapter clearly foretells of a future event.
....which I answered. Again, the future event is the age of the Saviour, the age of grace, and the Church age; ***sometime*** during these times mankind will recognize the object described and see that God wrote the foundational Biblical message in stone before the Scriptures were written.
The passage system in the GP irrefutably corresponds to the central message of the Bible; it also confirms the date of the Exodus to have occurred 1453 BC. The star alignment is refutation proof.
This hasn't happened yet.
I have agreed.
Christ the Saviour had not yet come when Isaiah spoke the words at issue.
You have also completely evaded the evidence in its totality. As for your argument in italics; the earliest uncial mss have no spacing, paragraphing or punctuation. I have seen the Alexandrinus and Sinaiticus, which means context can change from one verse to the other. Therefore, there is no context issue for verses 19 and 20; they are free-standing.
You can have the last word.
Also, how come no other pyramid is free of writing except the GP?
Ray
Edited by Herepton, : No reason given.

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Message 73 of 77 (387625)
03-01-2007 3:58 PM
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03-01-2007 12:13 AM


Re: Getting Back to the OP Issue
It was built around the same time as the others
There is much evidence which says the GP was built by Enoch circa 10,000 BC.
on the same site, from the same materials, taken from the same quarries, using the same techniques, in the same shape, with the same orientation, but it has ascending passages so it must have been built by a completely different set of people.
Then how come no other pyramid has ascending passages or any passage system except the GP?
How come the GP has no writings within unlike all other pyramids?
No mummy was ever discovred; the coffer had no lid; no treasure room; and three granite plugs block the first ascending passage; and both the Queen's Chamber and Kings Chamber have AIR VENTS; and when clean and clear the temperature in the King's Chamber remains at 68 degrees - the optimal temperature for man to exist in.
Ray

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