General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures 10.0

Just a reminder that this is not a general discussion thread.It is for discussion of moderation procedures.Since Buz suspended himself, I'm not sure what could be up for discussion since everyone has the right to make themselves inactive.But if there is a need for discussion, please make sure it concerns the moderation action.

Admin buzsaw,I strongly disagree with your suspension of forum member Buzsaw.It will only fuel his martyr complex.

I need to make it clear that as moderator, AdminBuzsaw is committed to upholding the welfare of the site at large, not to defend member Buzsaw perse or to make a martyr out of him. Please understand that I have indefinitely suspended member Buzsaw because for four long years he has been a pain in the butt not only to Admin, but to some other prominent members who agree that member Buzsaw is and has always been a pain in the butt to some.As AdminBuzsaw, being duly appointed for the purpose of moderation I have determined in a fair and balanced manner that anyone who has been this much of a problem at this site should seek out a more compatible site to peddle what many at this site regard as pure rubbish. I am aware that Buzsaw is doing that.So long as member Buzsaw insists on continuing to be what Buzsaw has been and doing what Buzsaw does it is my opinion that member Buzsaw should stay the heck out of this place unless Buzsaw agrees to stop being what member Buzsaw has been and doing what he has been doing for four long years such as claiming his universe hypothesis based on the Bible is compatible with the thermodynamic laws, his claim that BB theists as well as YEC creos who think any temporal universe leaves no place for an eternal god, that there was possibly a pre flood vapor canopy which skews radiometicric dating methodology, that the exodus evidence he has surfaced is scientifically viable, that the fact of global warming and other things in weather and geology verify prophecies in his Bible, et al, et al, which render him such a pain in the butt for some prominent folks here or unless Admin decides to allow member Buzsaw to continue be what he has been and do what he has been doing these four years at his site.I believe I, Admin Buzsaw have thus far been in good stand as a moderator and intend to remain as such to keep the peace and uphold the Forum Guidelines for the good of the board at large until such time that Admin determines that he does not need my services any longer.I will be out of town most of the day so if anyone has further discussion or questions I will be happy to address them when I return.I need to get moving so I hope I haven't made any huge errors here as I've not had time to review.

All you are doing AdminBuz is more of your classic whining. Buz's problems at EvC have nothing to do with Buz being a "pain in the butt not only to Admin, but to some other prominent members who agree that member Buzsaw is and has always been a pain in the butt to some." but rather that both Buz and AdminBuz are incapable of reading or comprehending words on a page. It is consistent and across the board, whether in Science, Economics, Politics or Theology. Buz is far to insignificant to have ever been a pain in the butt.For you to say "I need to make it clear that as moderator, AdminBuzsaw is committed to upholding the welfare of the site at large, not to defend member Buzsaw perse or to make a martyr out of him." is simply crap. It is not an attempt to uphold the welfare of the board, but just another example of Buz's total inability to comprehend what has been said and yet another pitiful whining sophomoric plea for attention.It is the same tactic Faith used to get herself suspended so that she could cry martyr.How utterly pathetic.If you had any cajones you would have suspended Buz and also suspended AdminBuz without all the dramatics.

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Jar, it's because of people like you who get by with just about everything creos are accused of that this place is so dull and void of IDist creos. With people like you, meanspirited as you and who like your style running the show, including Admin himself that most IDist creos are simply too thin skinned to stay long. It's (abe: inflamitory members) like you that got Faith so emotionally upset that she blew her top after taking so much of it and eventually got herself banned because of it. It's people like you who think you're so dang smart that you were going to put member Buzsaw away in the first round of the first GD a few years ago and ended up with your ideological arse whooped, hanging on to the ropes for dear life throughout the debate. Remember that? And btw, did you notice how shortly after that that member Buzsaw was suddenly permanently banned by Admin, having never been suspended so as not to be able to defend himself in the moderation forum? Hmmm?You insolent people who think this is just a martyr complex and whimsical whining need to wake up and smell the coffee. Admin sees to it that no IDist creo ever wins in his congenial little elitist tea party he calls a evo vs creo debate site, systematically insuring that the balance remains firmly in his ideological corner.When Admin begins honing in on good members like former member and super efficient AdminNWR, who btw was certainly no creo, you can be sure you're on his problematic list and must soon go.. NWR made the mistake of lending support to allowing more diversity in the science arena and opposing Admins policy regarding such things.If Admin continues to self destruct his supposed debate site by systematically censuring out the counterpart element that's his perrogative, but so long as I remain moderator here at EvC, I'm committed to continue doing so in a fair and balance manner as I pledged to do when I was duly appointed to the position. If it means banning member Buzsaw evenhandedly in a fair and balanced manner, so be it. I've only suspended two members thus far, the first being Herepton for a short suspension and now member buzsaw for as long as member Buzsaw insists on being what he's been over the years and as long as Admin refuses to allow member Buzsaw to continue doing what Buzsaw has been doing for these past years. As moderator I've also admonished and warned several members, some of who are creos and some of who are not in what I condider to be a fair and balanced manner.My action here has nothing to do with martyrdom and everything to do with what's best for the board at large in order that this ever so prevalent problematic issue concerning member Buzsaw be resolved. For the good of the board and for member Buzsaw, I find this action to be the right moderative action to take. Edited by AdminBuzsaw, : No reason given.

Well Ol' Buz,Sorry to see you go. You haven't messed up many of the bio threads - sticking mostly to cosmology it appears - so I don't have the same issues as others.Just one question: Don't you think it's a little silly to ban Buz, but not delete the AdminBuz account? Strange, in any case.

Certainly not the way you do AdminBuz.But that has nothing to do with the subject which is the Moderation Procedures of AdminBuz.In AdminBuz suspending member Buz and then posting not ONE message related to it but two, all that AdminBuz is doing is whining and seeking attention. It is a childish and pitiful display.I must also point out another absolute falsehood in your message.You said: I'm sorry AdminBuz but that is simply not true. Faith was banned because she begged Percy, time after time to ban her. It was another attempt to avoid having to actually defend her position and had NOTHING to do with me. Yet another falsehood. If you think Percy would ban you simply because it would please me you are even more ignorant than I thought.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I'm pretty sure that, by definition, you can't be a martyr by suicide.

And yet again you justify the title.

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You insolent people who think this is just a martyr complex and whimsical whining need to wake up and smell the coffee

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We don't think it. We know it. Call the truth insolecne all you like - it remains true. We know that this latest round started with you citing a - quite lunatic - crank website. We know that when you were told that you needed to take more care in relying on random sites found on the web you instead decided to accuse others of telling you not to use google. Not content with that misrepresentation you then insisted it was unfair for people to call you on your error !

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Admin sees to it that no IDist creo ever wins in his congenial little elitist tea party he calls a evo vs creo debate site, systematically insuring that the balance remains firmly in his ideological corner.

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Did Admin make you cite a crank website. Did Admin prevent you form carrying out basic checks that would have indicated that it was at the least a questionable source ? Or did you just not bother ?I think what you mean is that Admin actually permits criticsm of Buzsaw. That Admin actually suggests that Buzsaw should make a good-faith effort to try and avoid making such mistakes. That is what you are complaining about.What you WANT is for Admin to rig things so that you win more often. To lower standards especially for you just so you can claim some wins. That isn't what this site is about - and doing it WOULD be self-destructive to the site. How can we find the truth if the site is intentionally rigged to favour one side because they keep getting things wrong ? Such a bias necessarily favours untruth. But that's what you want - because how else can you "win" by citing falsehoods ?

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My action here has nothing to do with martyrdom and everything to do with what's best for the board at large in order that this ever so prevalent problematic issue concerning member Buzsaw be resolved. For the good of the board and for member Buzsaw, I find this action to be the right moderative action to take.

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The ban may indeed be the best, given Buzsaw's problems and unwillingness to actually correct them. However the false and baseless accusations made against Admin are certainly not in the best interests of the board. They have everything to do with whining and trying to paint Buzsaw as a martyr and trying to undermine Admin - all in order to deny that Buzsaw makes his own problems.

Hi Quetzal. I appreciate your viewpoint. I guess the answer to the question you ask is that perhaps my presence may afford opportunity to offer some suggestions for establishing some balance in the forums and to continue doing what I've tried to do in PAF. For example, though NWR usually debated counterpart to my positions, I lent support to him in PAF before he left because he was suggesting that more leeway should be granted in science for alternative viewpoints et al. I did not concur with the ousting of member Faith and if recall is correct I believe I suggested that member Randman be allowed in the general forums and offered to moderate some oversight on his conduct, noting in PAF that he was no worse a pain to evos than member Jar was to creos et al.Perhaps this arrangement would show no purpose that account would cease to be. If I were to suspend my Buzsaw account and AdminBuzsaw account simultaneously, this would leave me with no opportunity to explain why or to suggest some food for thought regarding the disparity in debating the issues so far as ideology goes.It is the many like you here at EvC who I will really miss, who focus on the issues, citing the specifics and addressing them, unlike some prominent few who feel the need to focus on the member, demean character of opponents attempting to condemn rather than citing specifics and refuting those specific points with which they take issue.Perhaps I need to ponder your question and observation that it is quite strange. It may make more sense to eliminate that account after responding to other comments folks may have.I realize I've been blunt and to the point regarding Admin policy. As King Solomon put it in the Proverbs, "Better is the wounds of a friend than the kisses of an enemy," as I've quoted on occasion. Perhaps some things I've said, being taken as wounds can be productive for improvement. I hope so.

Buz, you said the following; Now try to turn it around. How about an "enemy" who sees why you're not making any headway against them and, instead of pressing advantage, tries to advise you on how to improve? To be honest, that's what people were doing when they advised you to check the credibility of your sources. Crash gave you a link to scholar google which would give you access to more reliable sources. Others have explained to you how you can check the credibility of your sources. I don't see any of that as picking on you.Why don't you stop, take a deep breath and a step back and read through all the posts again. Those by posters that you describe as the "prominent few" you could just ignore, but I would suggest reading them again anyway.Honestly, Buz, people really have been trying to help you. Why don't you give them the benefit of the doubt for a little while and see how you get on?

PaulK, all I have to say to you is that it's your kind of caustic rant that hurts EvC more than just about anything else. When evo counterparts are barraged with responses typical of the stuff people like you do few are thick skinned enough to participate or to remain members for long. Imo Admin would be wise to leave off ranting about the conduct of creos so much and tone people like you down a tad so as to render the site a more pleasant place for amiable debate and dialog.

Trixie, you make a good point and I'm listening. You know what? If some of the people who make that claim to be helpers would focus on issues and leave of the personal stuff it would be a whole lot more helpful. Son Goku, imo, is exemplary of a wise counselor in that regard as are folks like Cavediver et al. Percy appears to be sporadic in this regard. On the one hand he goes to great length to explain things to his credit and which is often helpful but then he seems to feel the need to interject personal demeaning exaggerations such as his false claim that Buzsaw reads nothing et al.

Well, if that is the purpose, then I stand answered. It just seemed odd.As to your comments concerning Faith and Randman, suffice that I agree with you inre Faith (if you're in contact with her, please let her know that although I found her intensely frustrating at times, I did enjoy many of our conversations.) On Rand, however, I disagree. The Randman "Travelling Circus and One-Trick Pony Show" was extremely disruptive. In fact, I would say that of all the creo etc posters that have been here in the past - including you - he was the one that most exemplified what you are being accused of, IMO.Anyway, see you around.

Again we see the problem. You think that it's OK for you to do wrong - and nobody should be allowed to point out that you're doing wrong.Well tough. The solution is for you to at least make a good faith effort to mend your ways instead of whining whenever your faults are exposed.The simple fact, Buz, is that you do not make good use of google. You do not check the sites you find for reliability - or even carefully read some of them. Rather than try to deal with that you come up with this torrent of denial and whining and abuse.That is the truth Buz. We all know it. And using your Admin account to continue this ridiculous pretence of persecution is hardly helping the site - or you.