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Author | Topic: www.conservapedia.com - What do you think? | |||||||||||||||||||||||
subbie Member (Idle past 1275 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Further errors in the Scopes piece:
Scopes did not "unwittingly" become a test case. As I understand it, he volunteered for the position. IIRC, a group got together in a drug store in Dayton and decided to put on a test case. They asked Scopes if he would agree to be the defendant and he did. There's actually some question about whether Scopes ever indeed taught evolution. From this site:
quote: The ACLU was involved, but in fact it did not want Darrow as the defense attorney. Dudley Malone, Darrow's eventual co-counsel on the case, first proposed Darrow to the ACLU, but his participation was bitterly opposed by the steering committee of the ACLU for the Scopes case. Among other things, committee members were worried that Darrow's status of being a "headline chaser" would divert attention from the issues involved. It was actually Scopes who endorsed Darrow, pointing out that William Jennings Bryan was no wall flower himself, and that there was already such a carnival atmosphere in Dayton that the presence of Darrow couldn't make things any worse. The Butler Act did not have a "mere $100 fine." The penalty for a violation of the Act was supposed to have been between $100.00 and $500.00, to be determined by the jury. However, Judge Raulston instead imposed the fine himself. In fact, it was this procedural error that resulted in the appellate court overturning the conviction. As crash pointed out, Scopes did not plead guilty. In fact, after the jury announced the verdict, Judge Raulston asked Scopes if he had anything to say before sentencing. Scopes said, quote: As far as Darrow reneging on his "promise" to testify after Bryan, here's how that arose in the first place:
quote: Darrow did not renege on anything. The Court adjourned the trail in the middle of Darrow's cross-examination of Bryan and, on the next day, decided that no purpose would be served by continuing the examination. Darrow was never called. As far as whether Bryan "performed well," I leave that to the reader to decide. Bryan's testimony can be found here. Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
but stupid people tend to be conservative. Sorry nator, but that comment is no better than conservapedia.com If you think for one second that most people who are conservative are stupid, you need to go check your statistics. With 97% of the American public scientifically illterate, whos who?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
If what is in front of your face doesn't match your expectations, then either expectations are wrong or there's another explanation. That is a great statement.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2285 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
Schraf:
but stupid people tend to be conservative
Rat:
If you think for one second that most people who are conservative I have a reading comprehension test for you rat, where in schraf's quote (or if thats too easy, try the original post) does she say that most conservatives are stupid? Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given. Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2533 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
please, oh please tell me that "1973" is a typo!
please, I beg of you. if it's real, does the person who wrote that not realize we were getting out of Vietnam in that year? Does he think we fought WWII, the Korean War and the Vietnam war all at the same time? This is truly scary.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
It's very easy to read between the lines and say that that she is implying that most conservatives are stupid.
But that wasn't my point, my point was to counter what she said, in that most people in general are stupid, doesn't matter your political view. And that is something I have been saying since I joined this forum, and something I will stick by forever.And stupid in the sense, that 80% of people are not good at what they do, and don't think things through at all. God forgive me. But I cannot deny the facts that I have experienced throughout life. It doesn't mean that people are bad, either.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2285 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
It's very easy to read between the lines and say that that she is implying that most conservatives are stupid.
Sure it is, if your intent is to misrepresent what she said.
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Jon Inactive Member |
quote: quote: AND!
quote: quote: WOW! Not only is the site openly biased, prejudice, and ethnocentric against non-American English, but it also claims that tides cause moon "buldges"... and that tidal forces on Earth could actually have broken the moon into pieces if it ever got too close! Max
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Either way, that is an unsupported claim.
BTW, I amnot sticking up for conservatives.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
WOW! Not only is the site openly biased, prejudice, and ethnocentric against non-American English, but it also claims that tides cause moon "buldges"... and that tidal forces on Earth could actually have broken the moon into pieces if it ever got too close! I am confused, are they actually claiming that the tidal forces are effecting the moon? Isn't it the other way around? And the moon doesn't always have the same side facing us, it rocks ever so slightly.
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5892 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Amteurish or not, the fact that Wikipedia is a user net means that anybody can simply invent their own facts based on only superficial evidence. They do have editors who look for "vandalism," but given that Wikipedia is run by about 30 people coupled with the fact that there is probably over a million articles at this point, means that special interest groups can spin their own version facts and history. I agree, NJ. This is one of the main reasons I avoid wiki as a reference where ever possible. Unless it deals with some subject on which I already have some knowledge, I'm hesitant to accept what is written in an environment where basically anyone can "spin" to their hearts' content. And no, I don't have any examples of un-factual or erroneous information on wiki - it's a gut reaction. I find the peer-reviewed journals better all around.
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5892 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Thanks, rat!
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nator Member (Idle past 2190 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Wow, I had no idea that Canada was a Communist nation!
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
Here Christian morality (if not extreme fundamentalism) is equally entwined with conservative politics. I strongly disagree. In my experience the majority of church-going Chrisitans in the UK are left wing, while Tony Blair is probably the most vocally Christian Prime Minister we've had.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
I am confused, are they actually claiming that the tidal forces are effecting the moon? Isn't it the other way around? Tidal forces are gravitational. You can't have one body pulling on another with gravity without having the second body also pulling on the other. As I understand it the behaviour of the moon can be calculated very accurately with newtonian mechanics - there is no mystery.
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