General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures 10.0

1. I believe I recall Admin once stating that he thought Rand represented the creationist argument better than most.2. Creo counterpart members appear to request quite frequently the opportunity to engage Rand in debate.3. Admittedly Rand still needs to tidy up on behavior, but hey, imo, so do a few other members. (Abe: I would either remove Rand from Showcase or consign Jar in with him to see who could outrant the other's MO.) Edited by AdminBuzsaw, : No reason given.

The discussion concerning the suspension of Buzsaw by AdminBuz is closed.Since the discussion is not truly dealing with concern about a moderator action; if AdminBuz or others feel they must continue this discussion, please take it to the "Clarfying the Buzsaw Position" thread.

Since Admin and I are unable to reconcile in PAF, I am indefinitely suspending my admin account along with the member account. I have registered into a larger board, PhysOrgForum Science, Physics and Technology Discussion Forums where I will check out as to whether my MO is acceptable. My first overview of heir evc forum there indicates that it will be but time will tell.At any rate, thanks to all for putting up with me these past four years and may God's blessing be on each and every one, regardless of which side of the debate you repesent. My prayers will remain faithful to EvC. Be mindful that God's blessings may come in mysterious and unusual ways, sometimes with one scratching the head wondering how and other times fully understandable.My parting advice is to check out the record for Biblical principles and compare it's track record with any other idology. These 71 years of my life, 61 of which were as a professing and practicing NT fundie Christian have absolutely convinced me the it's the way of life, contentment and assurance for the future.Hang in there, Nemmisis J, my dear brother in Christ Jesus and www cyber friend. You're the best ever and most intelligent, witty and articulate creo to show up at EvC to the glory of Jehovah god the father and Jesus the lord and savior bar none. May God's special richest blessing be upon you and yours in everything. You will be as indestructible among the hungry lions as Daniel was in the den of lions. Your adversaries will not triumph over you nor put you to shame as you tenaciously hold to the truth.

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For ideological balance on the EvC admin team as a Biblical creationist.

As a final farewell, I think it's only right to admonish you to look something up.And seriously... you really wanna look up what "cybering" means.

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"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

Perhaps he already knows Brian.

o_o... cyber sex... ^.~ Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

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"He has shown you, O man, what is good; And what does the Lord require of you but to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God. -Micah 6:8

Been too busy to post, but just want to say Buzz that things like this need to be said and I am glad you stated it. It's hard to say when someone should follow the advice "a soft answer turns away wrath" and when you should treat someone like Jesus treated the Saduccees (rationalists of his day imo) and the Pharissees. I know I've been more harsh than for my own good, but even if you are kind, you will still get driven off......it's the ideas they don't like, not the style or behaviour.God speed and God bless, and don't let anything that transpired here get you down.Edited by randman, : No reason given.

Just to keep the record straight, Buzsaw was not "driven off". After being given permission to post in a couple science threads at a time he made a series of bizarre statements in the moderation thread that were widely challenged. AdminBuzsaw responded by suspending his Buzsaw account.Buzsaw's struggles occur when he participates in discussions on topics with which he has little to no familiarity or understanding. Unable or unwilling to understand the material, and unable or unwilling to concede any point, he consistently brings constructive discussion in science threads to a halt. Any remaining doubts about Buzsaw's lack of comprehension should have been removed when he responded in all seriousness to a word-salad nonsense message that I posted just to make this point.There is no shame or dishonor in not knowing something or being mistaken. I've said many times that we are all human and we all make mistakes. It is a common mistake to think you understand something correctly when your understanding is actually flawed. Buzsaw struggles here because he understands little, is unable to recognize what he doesn't understand and so can never correct his misunderstandings, and this causes a problem because he posts often.Instead of leaving I wish Buzsaw would work to correct his lack of knowledge and understanding. People often tell Buz that he should read more, and Buz answers that he does read, a lot, but what people actually mean is that he must read *and* understand. I've attempted to commiserate with Buz on several occasions, explaining to him that I can't understand differential equations no matter how much I read, but that at least I don't go getting into arguments about differential equations with people who do understand them. In other words, at least I know what I don't understand. Even when I'm surprised to learn there's something I thought I understand that I don't, such as occurred recently concerning my mistaken belief that you could convert back and forth between linear and angular momentum, I'm able to correct my misunderstanding. Buz hasn't corrected a single misunderstanding that I can recall.I'm not trying to hold myself up as a shining example. I'm just the example I'm most familiar with. I'm well aware that I'm human and possess all the weaknesses people are heir to. But despite all our imperfections we're still able, by and large, to be polite to one another and to take the trouble to understand one another. Buzsaw usually achieves the former but rarely the latter, and all his troubles stem from that.Edited by Admin, : Grammar.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Just spent 15 minutes over at http://forum.physorg.com/, and it seems pretty clear you'll get the same response there that you did here, for example this is typical: "After reading and scrutinizing that, see if you can actually contribute something, anything, with meaning, reasoning and applicability to the topic, for a change."You see, Buz, EvC Forum members are not specially recruited by me to reflect my viewpoint. They're just a random group of self-selected people, and pretty much all who approach the debate from a science perspective are going to react to your views in a similar manner.PhysOrg is no different. As a newbie member you might be granted some soft treatment for a while, but it won't be long before they'll be critisizing you for the same things we did. Your problems will not away by leaving here but will follow you around because you are the problem, not EvC Forum. This is just a science site, and PhysOrg is just a science site, and science people will be the same no matter where you go.The only thing that might be different about PhysOrg is that it has less moderation. If it is my moderation that you chiefly have a problem with then you may well be much happier over there, but the problems will be no different.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

the ignorance displayed on the topic of QM by most here, except a few, and they were reticient to aknowledge the opinion of many quantum physicists, was never censured. You yourself paraded a ton of misinformation without batting an eye.If Buzz has made mistakes, I can't see where he has been less informed than the average evo poster here.

Just presenting clarifying information: This reflects only your opinion, not something that has been established to anyone's but your own satisfaction. Once again, this reflects only your opinion. Buzsaw's comprehension issues have been amply demonstrated to most people's satisfaction.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

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PaulK, all I have to say to you is that it's your kind of caustic rant that hurts EvC more than just about anything else.

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"Caustic rant?"Hardly.Yes, PaulK's post was highly critical of your behavior and very blunt, Buz, but it was not at all caustic, nor was it a rant.I have been here a long time, Buz, and I don't think I have ever read a post by PaulK that I could describe as a "rant".A "caustic rant" is something along these lines: See, PaulK didn't say anything even remoltely like this to you, did he?Neither did anybody else.

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Buz hasn't corrected a single misunderstanding that I can recall.

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He did with me once, but extremely reluctantly.In a discussion about nutrition, he claimed that any burning sensation one experienced while consuming olive oil always indicated that the oil was rancid.This is not true, as a peppery bite in the finish flavor of olive oil is a desireable characteristic in the oils from certain regions.I know this to be the case because I am a professional taster and fairly expert on olive oil in specific.I had to reference the hell out of my claims and beat him rather roughly about the head with my greater expertise quite a few times but he finally did concede.But that's the only time I can recall.Do I win a prize?(Incidentally, I tried to find the exchange using the site's search engine, and it couldn't, no matter what search terms I used.)

Okay, Okay, I was a little bit tipsy when I wrote this but do you really need to keep dragging it up? Brian.