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Brian
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Message 29 of 242 (387288)
02-27-2007 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Hyroglyphx
02-27-2007 1:35 PM


1. Why don’t Cameron and Jacobovici cite scholars who disagree with their conclusions? For example, in 1996, when the British Broadcasting Corp. aired a short documentary on the same subject, archaeologists challenged the claims.
Because this isn’t a critical documentary, it is a persuasive documentary.
2. Since the custom was to bury the dead in their home town,
Well, the custom was to bury criminals in a common grave, not to return the body to the family at all.
3. Why didn’t Jesus’ enemies, the Jewish leaders, expose the tomb?
Probably because they weren’t Jesus’ enemies. Crucifixion was a Roman punishment not a Jewish one.
4. Why didn’t the Romans expose the inscriptions as belonging to Jesus?
Why would they?
Roman soldiers controlled the entire city of Jerusalem, and they knew his body was missing from a tomb they had been guarding.
Unless this really didn’t happen.
5. Why didn’t contemporary Roman or Jewish historians write about the tomb? Not one single contemporary historian mentions the tomb in question.
Not one contemporary single historian mentions Jesus in any shape or form.
Why was the James Ossuary, which has been labeled a forgery, cited by Cameron and Jacobovici as one of the reasons for the tomb”s validity?
Probably because many Christians still don’t believe it is a forgery.
7. Why are Jacobovici and Cameron waiting until just prior to Easter to launch both the book and documentary? Amos Kloner, the first archaeologist to examine the site, said the idea fails to hold up by archaeological standards but makes for profitable television. "They just want to get money for it," Kloner said.
It is pretty certain that many Christians will part with their money for this garbage, Cameron isn’t stupid, but he is greedy.
8. Why would Jesus’ disciples endure torture for claiming he was resurrected, if they knew it was a hoax?
Well, we don’t know if they did endure torture or not.
The claim is just crap, but Christians buy crap, especially American Christians. There is no dumber animal.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 42 of 242 (387422)
02-28-2007 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Heathen
02-28-2007 1:02 PM


the most historic figure in human history"..... what are you on about?)
I think Nem means that Jesus was the most influential or the best known historical figure in human history. These are common fundy boasts.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 46 of 242 (387463)
02-28-2007 4:42 PM


The thing is, from a historical perspective, Cameron's crap is infinitly more plausible than the Gospel crap!
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 71 of 242 (387564)
03-01-2007 9:31 AM
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02-28-2007 9:56 PM


During the occupation of Israel by the Romans, was the Sanhedrin allowed to pass a death sentence on anyone?
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 72 of 242 (387565)
03-01-2007 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by anastasia
02-28-2007 10:42 PM


The burden of proof is on the side of the scientists to prove that the tomb in question is of the same Biblical Jesus.
How could they possibly do this?
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 134 of 242 (387888)
03-03-2007 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by anastasia
03-02-2007 7:39 PM


[qs] I am telling you, there is NO WAY to prove a body belonged to a man called Jesus and the exact same Jesus as in the Bible, unless most of the details agree with the Bible. [.qs]
Even if all the details matched, it still wouldn't prove that it was the same Jesus as in the Bible.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 169 of 242 (388319)
03-05-2007 4:24 PM


I can't believe that anyone over the age of 5 gives BS like this the time of day. There is no differece between this crap and the Wyatt, Moller, and Baugh garbage that we have discussed before.
As long as people watch this BS, there will be more and more of them appearing. My advice would be to work out roughly how much time that you would allocate to these silly 'specials' and then spend the equivalent time studying history and archaeolgy, even at a very basic level, then you would realise just how poor these programmes are.
It is beyond me how anyone can take this nonsense seriously.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 180 of 242 (388449)
03-06-2007 2:22 AM
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03-05-2007 5:00 PM


And how do you propose we form an opinion one way or the other without watching it?
Would you waste an hour of your life watching a TV programme by people who claim to have found Noah's Ark, or Chariot wheels in the Red Sea?
These programmes are all gimmicks, common sense tells you that there is no way to prove that anyone has found Jesus' tomb.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 181 of 242 (388451)
03-06-2007 2:24 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by anastasia
03-05-2007 6:58 PM


Re: A critique of : "The Lost Tomb of Jesus"
Constantine 'knew' where the site was,
I would take anything that Eusebius wrote about Constantine with a large pinch of salt. Eusebius is a well known liar, and even encouraged others to lie for Jesus.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 192 of 242 (388501)
03-06-2007 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 190 by Nimrod
03-06-2007 8:10 AM


Re: Ill need to wait till I can research this further
What are the odds on the Romans allowing a crucified common criminal to be interred in a family tomb?
Do you have any evidence of the Romans allowing common criminals to be interred in a family tomb?
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 195 of 242 (388543)
03-06-2007 12:56 PM
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03-06-2007 10:10 AM


Re: Ill need to wait till I can research this further
Do you have any evidence that there was a crucifixion?
Of course, reams of evidence in fact.
Also, lots of evidence that executed common criminals were thrown into a common grave.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 196 of 242 (388544)
03-06-2007 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by anastasia
03-06-2007 10:18 AM


Re: Ill need to wait till I can research this further
I think the argument is that the James ossuary is from the correct period, but the inscription is fake.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 203 of 242 (388570)
03-06-2007 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by anastasia
03-06-2007 1:35 PM


Re: Ill need to wait till I can research this further
No, Brian, I am sure you understood the question. We can either follow the Biblical account, or no,
Essentially you are saying that either the Bible is 100% accurate or 100% inaccurate, there's no inbetweenies for you?
but if we are going to get into one tomb, two tombs, three tombs, you might as well get into 'no criminal death' as well.
I'm not getting into any tomb because ASAIK there's no evidence that Roman's allowed executed common criminals to be interred in a family tomb. There may well be evidence, but I don't know about it as it is about a thousand years after my area of research. But general reading suggests that Romans didn't give criminal's bodies back to the family.
But it isn't at all implausible that Jesus was crucified, thrown into a common grave, and then a fairytale was invented about an empty tomb.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 205 of 242 (388572)
03-06-2007 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Dr Adequate
03-06-2007 5:01 AM


Re: Eusebius
Hi Doc,
I am not in Uni until Friday this week, so rather than give links to sites, I'll look out some quotes from sources on Friday and reply probably Sunday.
Hope this is okay.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 207 of 242 (388575)
03-06-2007 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by Hyroglyphx
03-06-2007 1:38 PM


Re: I cant find any good discussion on this.
But it was quickly deemed as a forgery by naysayers and it fell into obscurity. But now they are changing their tune. Now they say that the James ossuary was not "entirely" a fraud.
Every thing in this extract from your post is utterly untrue.
It was so quickly deemed a forgery that it was on display in a museum as real!
Oh, and do you have any evidence that people are 'changing their tune'?
You have a bad habit of inventing things that you believe supports your various stances.
Brian.

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