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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Your contention is noted. However, most of us are using the English language as is, straight out of the box - not your peculiar personal dialect. Aren't we In plain English, the word "foolishness" does not have positive connotations. I don't think it has positive connotations, I just think that it does NOT mean "false".
I contend that "foolish" means foolish - not incomplete. What about in the quote in question? Give us your interpretation.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes: Aren't we talking typing about the Bible though? Which is why I showed that the Greek word means "foolishness" too.
I don't think it has positive connotations, I just think that it does NOT mean "false". It means "beyond false", "false to the point of being stupid".
What about in the quote in question? Give us your interpretation. As I said early in the thread, I think the phrase is meaningless unless we know exactly what God's wisdom is. Paul claimed he knew, but based on his writings, I'm not convinced that he did. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Which is why I showed that the Greek word means "foolishness" too. IMO, WRT the quote, I think foolishness means negligible.
It means "beyond false", "false to the point of being stupid". But still false...I think that's wrong.
As I said early in the thread oh, sorry...
I think the phrase is meaningless unless we know exactly what God's wisdom is. What if we set God's wisdom as omniscience? Then what do you think it means? What about for something very near but not quite omniscience (you know what I mean?)? If the magnitude of the value of God's wisdom is infinite, then whatever value we are at is negligible (foolishness) compared to God's but that doesn't mean that we are wrong (false) in our wisdom. Even if we don't set it at infinite, whatever value we assume god has, it is probably high enough to render ours as negligible. Which is what I think the point of the quote is. I don't think it means that our wisdom is false, do you? (realizing you think its meaningless).
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes: What if we set God's wisdom as omniscience? I think omniscience is a useless concept too, and for the same reason.
If the magnitude of the value of God's wisdom is infinite, then whatever value we are at is negligible (foolishness) compared to God's but that doesn't mean that we are wrong (false) in our wisdom. If human wisdom is all we have, how can it be negligible? The "God's wisdom" that we are talking about is strictly hypothetical unless it becomes human wisdom. If anything, "God's wisdom" is negligible because we don't know what it is. In the same sense, electrons are negligible unless we figure out how to use them. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
If human wisdom is all we have, how can it be negligible? When compared to the magnitude of god's, presumed, wisdom.
The "God's wisdom" that we are talking about is strictly hypothetical unless it becomes human wisdom.
/nod
If anything, "God's wisdom" is negligible because we don't know what it is. Yeah...in practicality lol
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes: If human wisdom is all we have, how can it be negligible? When compared to the magnitude of god's, presumed, wisdom. "Presumed" wisdom is irrelevant, since it is human wisdom doing the presuming. For all we know, God might be an idiot savant who can create wonderful universes but can't tie His own shoes. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3949 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
the cooperate-iterate model is one possible solution to the prisoner's dilema game theory problem. in this solution, you cooperate the first turn, and then continue to cooperate in each iteration.
yes, if you cooperate and the partner betrays, you lose and they win five points. but if you both cooperate, you both win three points--more than half of the betray booty. however, given the rational actor model (on which game theory is predicated) states that an actor only betrays when they fear betrayal by their opponent. so. if you demonstrate a willingness to cooperate, then your partner will cooperate. the importance to this game is the ITERATE which means repeat. this means you have a series of matches and a chance to demonstrate a pattern. now. in real life, it is possible that an antagonistic partner would take advantage of a pattern of cooperation. however, being antagonistic tends to get you bombed. further, if your opponent demonstrates a pattern of betrayal, you can also betray so that, while you still lose, your opponent doesn't win. also, one point is better than none. Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given. Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given. Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
You should add:
In a more real-life situation there are many players iterating their interactions. That is what squeezes out the non-cooperators.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3949 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
yes, that too. there is no bilateral anything anymore.
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5974 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
brennakimi writes: the importance to this game is the ITERATE which means repeat. this means you have a series of matches and a chance to demonstrate a pattern. now. in real life, it is possible that an antagonistic partner would take advantage of a pattern of cooperation. however, being antagonistic tends to get you bombed. further, if your opponent demonstrates a pattern of betrayal, you can also betray so that, while you still lose, your opponent doesn't win. also, one point is better than none. Yes, sorry, I should not have said that you were wrong. What I should have said is that altruism doesn't always equal gain in real life, as that depends somewhat on the opposite player's cooperation, but in Christianity, the strategy must stay regardless.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3949 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
just clarifying. i'm quite done.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
"Presumed" wisdom is irrelevant, since it is human wisdom doing the presuming. For all we know, God might be an idiot savant who can create wonderful universes but can't tie His own shoes.
Well, if we're talking about a quote from the Bible, then we have an idea about which god we're talking about and what his qualifties can be assumed to be.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes: Well, if we're talking about a quote from the Bible, then we have an idea about which god we're talking about and what his qualifties can be assumed to be. You can "pre"sume or "as"sume anything you want, but it's still a human presumption or a human assumption. It's human wisdom about what may or may not be God's wisdom. There can not be any meaningful comparison between our wisdom and God's wisdom unless we know what God's wisdom is. And how can we know what God's wisdom is if our wisdom is so stunted? "God's wisdom is not our wisdom" disproves itself. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Ringo writes: There can not be any meaningful comparison between our wisdom and God's wisdom unless we know what God's wisdom is. And how can we know what God's wisdom is if our wisdom is so stunted? I dunno...its kinda like a talent scout knows talent. hey can just smell it. Im not sure if we are programmed to be in touch with Gods wisdom or not, though. Not everyone is a talent scout!
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