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AZPaul3
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Message 13 of 89 (389468)
03-13-2007 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by MadaManga
03-13-2007 1:05 PM


Creo vs Evo Hate Crime?
Lacking reliable evidence, do Creationist and Evolutions consider whether Creationism (as an expression of Fundamentalism) should/could be considered a contributor to the causes of hate crime in society.
Without a whole lot more evidence, no.
The stats you did find were not well defined.
My gut feeling is that we may find a lot of those hate crimes are directed against Jews and gays, and not necessarily for "creationist" or "evolutionist" reasons.
I can imagine skinheads spaying swastikas on temples and young punks beating up queers using some weak religious excuse as large parts of that 17%
In this country, as far as I can see, we do not experience religious violence to the extent of Ireland or India. I do not believe the Creo-Evo debate is any motivator for the relatively small amount of religious-motivated crime we see here.

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AZPaul3
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Message 15 of 89 (389486)
03-13-2007 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by ICANT
03-13-2007 7:10 PM


This may not help you any, ICANT, but let me at least give you something to chew on.
In that same day he made man, animals, vegetation, and everything. Later it was destroyed. I don't know how but I have read where science says it happened that life forms disappeared.
This destruction of life is called an “extinction event.” There have been many of them throughout life’s stay on this planet. Luckily not all life succumbed during these events but in a few cases we came very close.
The last big one occurred some 65+ million years ago when a big honking space rock smashed into the Yucatan in Mexico. We see in the fossil record and in the geology of the planet the scars this event left behind. We have the “smoking gun” if you will. There is something called the K-T Boundary in the geology of this planet. We use it as a convenient marker in the history of the planet. We know the K-T Boundary (a thin layer of rock and sediment) formed all over the planet from the fallout created by this mother of a mountain crashing into Mexico. We see from the fossil record on one side of this boundary (the older side) a big bunch of animals, fish, plants, even Dinosaurs buried in the rocks. On the other side of the boundary (the younger side) we find very few of these, some obviously different or new ones and no Dinosaurs at all. The people who study these things for a lifetime all agree this was a major extinction event that killed off the dino’s but left some small furry critters, mammals, alive. Over the last 65 million years these mammals (along with a few other surviving life forms) evolved into everything we see in nature today, including ourselves.
What these scientists know is that these extinction events happened periodically throughout history. There have been dozens. Considering what life has been through on this planet we’re quite lucky to be here at all.
I have asked the question many time where the singularitry came from that the universe supposedly started from? The best answer I have got so far is, I don't know.
As for “The Big Question” of how the universe started, the singularity is one hypothesis yet to be shown. I could give you a big bunch of mumbo jumbo about quantum jitter and borrowed energy but the real answer is mumble, mumble, mumble.
I could get into details of why we don’t know . yet . but those are not important. We have a superb understanding of what happened in the growth of this universe going back further and further until BANG (and not the big one either) we come to a dead end. All those equations that have worked so well for us everywhere else in the universe just cannot tell us what happened before .0000000000000000000000000000000001 second after whatever it was that did happen, happened. We don’t know. I fear you and I and a whole bunch of people on this planet will never see the answer to this question. But some day we will find it. And that is all we can give to you right now.
At least science is being honest in our ignorance. Religions are so sure of their answers (whether they be Yahweh speaking the Universe into existence, or Vishnu growing the universe from his navel or Osiris ejaculating the universe into being) that they are willing to fight wars over it. Such is life.
Edited by AZPaul3, : Fixing typos...or covering stupidity...take your pick.

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