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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5548 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
I'll take your refusal to address my points as evidence of the utter lack of intelectual honesty from your part. That's something I do not take lightly
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bebotx1 Member (Idle past 6249 days) Posts: 32 Joined: |
The "what" would be the universe. You guys always bring God into it. Next you'll be telling me to repent bla bla.
I picked the "created with a purpose" thing to illustrate what a valid explanation would look like (vs. the AP thing) Look at what Tusko posted - also valid explanations. I'd hope in time we would gain more certainty about which is the case. (I say hope because not all problems are solvable)
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3671 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
3)postulate the whole shebang has existed forever and as a consequence wasn't created. Non-sequitur I'm afraid As far as we are aware... The Universe can be temporally finite and be createdThe Universe can be temporally finite and not be created The Universe can be temporally infinite and be created The Universe can be temporally infinite and not be created Do I sound like Jar? And if anyone wants to appreciate the Anthropic Principle (Weak), read PaulK's and SG's contributions. Me, I'm off to see a Genesis tribute band perform the Selling England gig
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bebotx1 Member (Idle past 6249 days) Posts: 32 Joined: |
You are objecting to his use of the word "consequence" - yea, he should have skipped that.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
The "what" would be the universe. As I said... already known, and therefore not explained by the non-explanation.
You guys always bring God into it. I think that when discussing "God did it" as an explanation, God is already in it. However, if you move the goalposts to "an intelligence with an intended purpose", you've clarified nothing. What intelligence? What intended purpose? What was the process of creation? Still a completely empty non-explanation.
Next you'll be telling me to repent bla bla. You do realize that I'm saying "God did it" is not a valid explanation, right?
Look at what Tusko posted - also valid explanations. Except for the part where they fail to actually explain anything, sure. "I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut." -Stephen Colbert
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bebotx1 Member (Idle past 6249 days) Posts: 32 Joined: |
Well, you start with some theories (potential explanation) then look at the evidence and see if it supports it or goes against it.
These scenarios DO fill that criteria. -- ie. they are potentially falsifiable. Edited by bebotx1, : No reason given.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Well, you start with some theories (potential explanation) Great. Soon as we come across a theory that actually does some explaining, we'll be all set.
then look at the evidence and see if it supports it or goes against it. These scenarios DO fill that criteria. -- ie. they are potentially falsifiable. Marvelous. Please provide the evidence that supports them or goes against them, and explain how they can be falsified. "I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut." -Stephen Colbert
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bebotx1 Member (Idle past 6249 days) Posts: 32 Joined: |
Well, lets take this one.
3)postulate the whole shebang has existed forever and so wasn't created I guess if research shows that the universe won't contract (and so permit somekind of recursion) And that it had a starting point. Then I would say this one is false.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Well, lets take this one. Cool. Now perhaps you could take one that involves the undefined terms like "god" or "designer" or "creator" or what-have-you. "I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut." -Stephen Colbert
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Since you didn't deal with my point, here it is again.
Try answering this. Is it reasonably possible that things could be otherwise, that instead of being on one of the few life-friendly planets we could be elsewhere, without some reason why ? If the answer is no, then you concede that Dawkins' statement is all the explanation needed.
"All the explanation needed" is the key. It is not a causal explanation but it presents reasons to expect things to be as hey are and it is an explanation in that sense.
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bebotx1 Member (Idle past 6249 days) Posts: 32 Joined: |
LOL, oh I'm sorry - I didn't pick the one you wanted me to?
or is it .... you want to talk about God again. knock yourself out; Untitled Document
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bebotx1 Member (Idle past 6249 days) Posts: 32 Joined: |
K, in truth i skipped you because there were too many people. I thought people would discuss with each other but almost all seen to want a reply from me.
quote: But If we were elsewhere we would classify it as life-freindly because we would be on it. The statement is a tautology. In my mind this just boils down to "Things are the way they are"
quote: But It doesn't give a reason. Edited by bebotx1, : No reason given.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
LOL, oh I'm sorry - I didn't pick the one you wanted me to? You didn't pick the one that had any relevance to what we were talking about. You could also have falsfied the statement "bebotx1 doesn't have an answer, and is avoiding the subject," but it wouldn't have had anything to do with whether or not positing the existence of a god is a valid explanation. Y'know... like you said it was, in this post. (And several times since.) Edited by Dan Carroll, : for shits and giggles "I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut." -Stephen Colbert
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: How badly wrong can you be ? We wouldn't classify it as life-friendly BECAUSE we were there. It would have to be life-friendly FOR us to be there. Unless there were some reason why we ended up there - and somehow preserved us despite the hostile environment. And that is an adequate reason for why we happen to find ourselves in a friendly (relatively speaking) environment. Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.
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bebotx1 Member (Idle past 6249 days) Posts: 32 Joined: |
That was quick - I thought you'd be on that site for hours.
Actually - this post is talking about how AP is just a description of how things are and RD claiming it is some kind of explanation is nuts. now, to the more recent point. Yes of course if the earth was intentionally created it would be an explanation of why it was here. Are you gonna argue with that?
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