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bebotx1 Member (Idle past 6248 days) Posts: 32 Joined: |
Well, lets take this one.
3)postulate the whole shebang has existed forever and so wasn't created I guess if research shows that the universe won't contract (and so permit somekind of recursion) And that it had a starting point. Then I would say this one is false.
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bebotx1 Member (Idle past 6248 days) Posts: 32 Joined: |
LOL, oh I'm sorry - I didn't pick the one you wanted me to?
or is it .... you want to talk about God again. knock yourself out; Untitled Document
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bebotx1 Member (Idle past 6248 days) Posts: 32 Joined: |
K, in truth i skipped you because there were too many people. I thought people would discuss with each other but almost all seen to want a reply from me.
quote: But If we were elsewhere we would classify it as life-freindly because we would be on it. The statement is a tautology. In my mind this just boils down to "Things are the way they are"
quote: But It doesn't give a reason. Edited by bebotx1, : No reason given.
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bebotx1 Member (Idle past 6248 days) Posts: 32 Joined: |
That was quick - I thought you'd be on that site for hours.
Actually - this post is talking about how AP is just a description of how things are and RD claiming it is some kind of explanation is nuts. now, to the more recent point. Yes of course if the earth was intentionally created it would be an explanation of why it was here. Are you gonna argue with that?
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bebotx1 Member (Idle past 6248 days) Posts: 32 Joined: |
quote: Yes, and that is why the statement is a truism. It MUST always be true. It's obviously true. And it says nothing. I think this is probably one of those things were people just end up shouting louder and louder at each other without ever finding the common ground.
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bebotx1 Member (Idle past 6248 days) Posts: 32 Joined: |
quote: I'm not sure. Can you show me what I said with the internet linking trick again please. Actually it was RD's alternative in the book (TGD)
quote: Well maybe you'd find that out along the way. If it was intentionally created perhaps you could get in contact with the creators or find clues about why they did it and what they were like.
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bebotx1 Member (Idle past 6248 days) Posts: 32 Joined: |
quote: Perhaps you havn't understood me. The statement is ALWAYS true. Lets assume for a moment (purely hypothetically) that God specially created the earth especially for people to live on. The statement would STILL be true. This is my whole point.
quote: Every valid argument is not a tautology. Deductive logic is a system to validly get from a set of premises to a conclusion, the truth of the conclusion still rests on the premises. The generation of tautologies is not it's primary purpose.http://thinker.blog.co.uk/...ngu_does_some_reasoning~1904805
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bebotx1 Member (Idle past 6248 days) Posts: 32 Joined: |
Are you saying I'm lying about it being RD's point in the book. 'Cos I have it open in front of me.
quote: And I'm sorry to have to tell you but yes, it would count as a valid explanation for it being there. You can't just tack on extra conditions like intent and insist on them. Are you saying unless you can show intent it's false? Edited by bebotx1, : shorten quote
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bebotx1 Member (Idle past 6248 days) Posts: 32 Joined: |
quote: Definitiley. No, of course you could not conclude that. I guess it would make them think about it. Forget the logic it's getting off topic. Edited by bebotx1, : No reason given.
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bebotx1 Member (Idle past 6248 days) Posts: 32 Joined: |
quote: yea, i guess I was just on about the AP thing. I wasn't really considering the alternatives. The design type explanation could take a lot of forms I guess. It would depend on what the designers wanted out of the situation.
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bebotx1 Member (Idle past 6248 days) Posts: 32 Joined: |
quote: I think something that is trivially true is called a truism. A tautology is a completely true statement relying on zero assumptions. I thought this one didn't say much, but maybe for some...
quote: Very good observation - I missed that. Edited by bebotx1, : No reason given.
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bebotx1 Member (Idle past 6248 days) Posts: 32 Joined: |
But how would you tell if it was the case?
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