But do you realize that your rejecting the "AP thing" has (a) no bearing on whether it is true or not and (b) does not mean that god-did-it is a logical answer.
The design type explanation could take a lot of forms I guess.
Including that the universe was created:
(1) 13.7+ billion years ago in such a way that the solar system formed 4.5+ billion years ago in such a way that life began here 3.7+ billion years ago and has evolved to it's current condition through evoltuions natural process.
(2) last Thursday complete as we know it, including all our memories etc.
And that with no way to distinguish (1) from (2) or any position in between, the concept that 'god-did-it' is NOT testable or falsifiable, or that it can provide any real insight into how the universe functions.
Are you saying I'm lying about it being RD's point in the book.
No. I'm saying that you said it, and now you're trying to pawn it off on someone else who also said it. That's really exceptionally cowardly.
And I'm sorry to have to tell you but yes, it would count as a valid explanation for it being there.
What, exactly, was explained? Absolutely nothing. Not an explanation.
You can't just tack on extra conditions like intent and insist on them.
I didn't tack on anything. You said, (damn, you're bad at remembering these things,) "Yes of course if the earth was intentionally created it would be an explanation of why it was here." You introduced the importance of intent, not me.
Are you saying unless you can show intent it's false?
Nope. I'm saying, for about the fiftieth time, that unless you can actually define some terms, you aren't really saying anything. And not saying anything is not a valid explanation.
Every "explanation" you've offered up so far amounts to: something, somewhere, at some point, did something somehow for some reason or another. And that's how the Earth came to be!
Really, can't stress this enough... if nothing is explained, then no explanation has been given.
Edited by Dan Carroll, : clarity
"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut." -Stephen Colbert
But I obviously SAID something else... I just can't work out what!
You implied that a universe that had an infinite past was necessarily NOT created. I was just pointing out that an act of creation of the Universe does not have to be at any particular point in time or space, and a universe with an inifnite past and future does not preclude its creation by a higher-order entity.
We sometimes think about our own potential space-time manipulation capabailities in the far far future, and it is possible we could create our own infinite universes :cool: Sort of makes our current ability to "play God" seem rather pathetic...