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Wounded King
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Message 61 of 90 (390604)
03-21-2007 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by zcoder
03-21-2007 10:07 AM


Albert Einstein wasn't a Christian. Is this an example of one of your facts?
TTFN,
WK

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zcoder
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Message 62 of 90 (390611)
03-21-2007 10:41 AM
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03-21-2007 10:18 AM


I will correct that for you and be more clear ok?
he is of Jewish decent but was raised in a Catholic school
so maybe I should say he is Catholic?
Zcoder....

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ringo
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Message 63 of 90 (390613)
03-21-2007 10:49 AM
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03-21-2007 10:07 AM


zcoder writes:
... as I see it, there are christian scientists who use the same scientific research and tests.
That's true. There certainly are Christians who use the same scientific research and tests. And they get the same results as the non-Christians - results that point to evolution.
The "dilemna" that you face is a false dilemna, set up by creationists to sell you books and videos and to keep your children ignorant.

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Message 64 of 90 (390614)
03-21-2007 10:49 AM
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03-21-2007 10:41 AM


But I will be fair to point out that I in no way claim to be a
historyian, and I would not know if later on Albert Einstein would
have changed his religious belifes, so I will not argue the point.
Zcoder....

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zcoder
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Message 65 of 90 (390615)
03-21-2007 10:52 AM
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03-21-2007 10:49 AM


Ringo,
I don't know you, nore will I ever. But I sence a hate or something
from you about people of faith. This is just my observation.
only you can correct me on that.
Zcoder....

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Wounded King
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Message 66 of 90 (390617)
03-21-2007 11:02 AM
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03-21-2007 10:49 AM


So would the short answer then be, 'No, it is not a fact that Einstein was a Christian'?
Why all these shifty circumlocutions instead of just admitting you were wrong?
Some of Einsteins's views on religion have been extensively publicised and it seems clear that whatever exact term would best describe his religion he wasn't a christian.
See Some of Einstein's Writings on Science and Religion .
TTFN,
WK

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Coragyps
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Message 67 of 90 (390618)
03-21-2007 11:02 AM
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03-21-2007 10:49 AM


It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
That's what the man wrote......
Einstein the agnostic

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zcoder
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Message 68 of 90 (390626)
03-21-2007 11:28 AM


To say remarks that a persons children are ignorant becouse of
what they believe is unbelievable in these times.
The believe in any god does not hurt other people. and anything other
then that would seem like a hate or dislike of a group for who they are.
which if gone unchecked would be no different then what the Nazi's did
to the jews.
From your example I would be wrong to say that atheists are hateful when
I know many who don't let a persons believe cloud their humanity to others.
Zcoder....

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ringo
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Message 69 of 90 (390632)
03-21-2007 11:34 AM
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03-21-2007 10:52 AM


zcoder writes:
I don't know you, nore will I ever. But I sence a hate or something from you about people of faith.
If you read a few thousand of my posts, you'll find that I often defend people of faith.
As I said, there are Christians who are scientists and they are not young-earth creationists. Nobody doing science has come to young-earth creationist conclusions.
We can discuss that in the appropriate topic, if you like. It is not the topic here.

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zcoder
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Message 70 of 90 (390633)
03-21-2007 11:38 AM


Likewise I said in other posts that I don't buy into the young-earth thingy.
Zcoder....

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jar
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Message 71 of 90 (390634)
03-21-2007 11:43 AM
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03-21-2007 10:52 AM


Ringo,
I don't know you, nore will I ever. But I sence a hate or something
from you about people of faith. This is just my observation.
only you can correct me on that.
Zcoder....
Zcoder:
You really seem to be under a major misunderstanding.
The issues in modern science, things like the age of the Universe, Evolution, Population Genetics, have nothing to do with religion or faith.
Many of us who have responded to you are people of Faith, many even Christians of Faith. We do not hate people of faith, but do hate the lies and distortions, the tactics and indoctrination that is the hallmark of the vast Christian Cult of Ignorance.
In the US particularly, the Christian Cult of Ignorance dominates many churches, especially evangelical, pentecostal and fundamentalist ones, as well as many if not most Christian Primary Education schools.
It is that Christian Cult of Ignorance, epitomized by Christian leaders such as Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Gene Scott, Kent Hovind and organizations like the Institute for Creation Research, Discovery Institute and Answers in Genesis, that we oppose.
Do not make the mistake of believing that it is some attack on Faith or on Christianity, it is not. It is an attack on ignorance, on the practice of teaching people not to question, and on those like the people and organizations listed above who teach absolute falsehoods.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 72 of 90 (390636)
03-21-2007 11:45 AM
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03-20-2007 10:34 PM


Moove over Beethoven
In the hands of a clumsy amateur, it's like a cow playing the piano.
Especially when it behooves one to play moovingly?
As one should in the first moovement of Beethoven's 5th Symphony?
”HM

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Coragyps
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Message 73 of 90 (390637)
03-21-2007 11:46 AM
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03-21-2007 11:28 AM


To say remarks that a persons children are ignorant becouse of
what they believe is unbelievable in these times.
To say that a person is ignorant when that person says "all radioactivity is manmade" like 27% of the American populace, or "antibiotics kill viruses as well as bacteria" like 46% of us is merely reporting the facts. Those people are ignorant of the facts. (That's not the same as "ignurnt" the insult - though the word does get used that way far too often.)
The 56% of our population who disagree with "human beings are developed from earlier species of animals" are just as ignorant.
They don't possess knowledge that's freely available to them, and was likely presented while they were sleeping through 8th grade science class.
http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/seind06/append/c7/at07-10.xls

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Fosdick 
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Message 74 of 90 (390645)
03-21-2007 12:05 PM
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03-21-2007 6:28 AM


Now wait a minute, I don't need to be bashed becouse I said I have a
delima to understand, after all I asked for leads then I took the
inishative to look it up. and like I said my real feild is in
Electronics and programming.
You are right, zcoder, and I was wrong for nipping at your remark in Message 33:
And when I searched more I found a tree of life, I observe something surprising”no species on one branch changes into a species on another branch.
I'm sorry. The way you put was interesting to me, and I followed with a careless reply. Indeed your observation may be important to one who is just starting to sort out the principles of biological evolution. (btw: I blame crashfrog for my rude behavior; he taught me how to bash good people for bad reasons.)
”HM

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zcoder
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Message 75 of 90 (390648)
03-21-2007 12:14 PM


Most of your assumtions about Christians are wrong. But like anything else
you will find radicals in any form of belife. But if you assume all are of
the same mold, then you also diqualify your self as a good scientist.
I was raised as a Christian, yet like my father, which he was into science more
then I was back then.
I search with a open mind, infact I believe everything science find from now
and in the future all the way to the big bang, then I change couse I
would believe got coused it.
Yet what I believe does not mean it's true, nore does it hurt the advancement in
science.
Everyone I know of the same religion have the same view I do. we have
talked some about theories that you would think are not accepted by
christians, but your wrong. every preacher I have known belives
science and todays theories.
Zcoder....

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