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ICANT
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Message 202 of 221 (389367)
03-13-2007 1:32 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Cocytus
01-08-2007 4:57 PM


Maybe you don't understand theology (in this case theodicy), so let me clarify what it is that you HAVE TO BELIEVE in order to be a Christian. This isn't even up for debate, it's dogmatic. To be a Christian you have to believe that 1) there was perfection in the garden (earth) 2) perfection means that there was no such thing as evil on earth 3) this is the case because God (as infinite as he/she is) cannot CONTAIN, and therefore cannot CREATE, evil 4) evil was created my humans because they ate of the tree of knowledge.
What theological school taught you what a person has to believe to be a Christian?
In order to be a Christian you only have to be born again and live a life like Christ did. Christian mean Christ like.

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ICANT
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Message 213 of 221 (390806)
03-22-2007 12:55 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by nator
03-17-2007 8:49 PM


Re-Christianity
Sure, but I don't think that ICANT is talking about infant baptism when he says "born again".
You are right but I won't go there as it would lead off topic.
I have read many of the posts and some were quite heated.
I would like to address the question,
Cocytus writes:
Does religion make good people do bad things?
YES Religion makes people do bad things.
Religion killed Jesus.
Religion killed millions during the dark ages.
Religion is killing in many countries today.
That is unless I am wrong and killing is OK.
Cocytus writes:
In this case "bad things" refers to standing in the way of progress.
YES as pertaining to the beginnings, and many things that have followed.
If it takes light from a star a billion (random number) years to reach earth and I say the earth is only 7,000 to 20,000 years old
oh well.
The misunderstanding of the first 5 chapters of Genesis has caused a big mess. It probably was caused by one or many different scribes copying the manuscripts. And making slight changes here and there but I believe the entire story is still there just mixed up.
In Genesis there is an account of a creation and an account of a recreation.
But it is taught as one creation thus the belief of most creationist that the earth is young.
And since most Christianity teaches that the Bible is untainted by man, and is the dictated Word of God it has to be true.
Because of that many false things have been taught as truth and believed by the masses.
Thus we have religion standing in the way of progress on many fronts.
It was pointed out stem cell research was one. All of you who have read my posts know my stand on killing a human being. But if we are going to do so as is allowed by law then why not make use of the fetus's in stem cell research.
But Religion says no.

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ICANT
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Message 216 of 221 (390990)
03-22-2007 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by sidelined
03-22-2007 6:02 PM


Re-Eve
That is just it though. Eve was obeying god until the serpent {created by God} came to talk to her.
Eve was deceived by Satan into eating the fruit.
Adam chose to eat the fruit.
Eve would have died and Adam would have still been in the Garden had he not chose to eat and die with Eve.
cannot be capable of understanding the act to be wrong?
Adam was specifically commanded not to eat of the fruit of the tree of good and evil. I am sure he passed this on to Eve.
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