Who's More Moral?

Being moral is nothing more than being good according to a standard of right and wrong.The secular world has standards of right and wrong.
Various groups religious and nonreligious have standards of right and wrong.
This board has standards of right and wrong.
Individuals even have their own standards of right and wrong.Some people put more rules on themselves than others and I agree that doesn't make one "more moral" than someone who doesn't need as many rules.

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Why does someone believe you when you say there are four billion stars, but check when you say the paint is wet?

I think owning one's morals is what God was getting at when he said his laws would be written on our hearts. IOW, they should be internalized.If they aren't internalized, it's sorta like the people who behave differently when the boss is away.I also expect a certain level of good behavior out of people who I know are Christians or who claim to be Christians. IOW, if someone claims to be a Christian I should be able to trust them without knowing any more about them. Oddly enough, the one's I get disappointed by (not including some on this board) are the one's that should have internalized their morals.Unfortunately many use the excuse that they are a work in progress. I feel some of the problems stem from leadership, such as clergy or teachers, within a church not leading by example.But I don't see that Christians are more moral, we just know what their moral standards should be.
As far as I know Atheists don't put out a list.

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Why does someone believe you when you say there are four billion stars, but check when you say the paint is wet?

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The Pharisees owned their morality, and Christ threatened their establishment and kingdom they were trying to build in the name of the God (reality) they rejected.

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The Pharisees did not own their morals. The Pharisees portrayed in the NT writings were doing the minimum necessary in following the letter of the laws and to look good to the public.The point Jesus was trying to make was that they had not internalized the spirit of God's law. I feel that is what Ringo is talking about when he says "owning" morals.

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Why does someone believe you when you say there are four billion stars, but check when you say the paint is wet?

You've pretty much said what I said, except with a lot more words and we disagree on Ringo's ownership idea. Then I think you went into a sermon.

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And if you think your heart is pure... then you are a liar.

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It is a shame you don't feel a pure heart is possible. I feel otherwise and I don't feel the authors of the NT or Jesus felt a pure heart was not possible.That's why we are to shed the old self and put on the new. We stop wrong behavior and start doing right behavior. If we don't write the right behavior onto our hearts we will always struggle against the rules of right behavior. Ownership is something no one can take away from you.I don't think that makes anyone more moral, but I feel they would have a more solid foundation.

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

Again a lot of words to show that I am correct in saying that a pure heart is possible.Unfortunately nothing on topic I can continue to address.

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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As I have tried to point out Christians should have high morals we should be able to have higher moral standards than anyone else but that is just not true. We don't because we are human and we still live in this old sinful body we have.

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Getting back to the topic.So what would be examples of high morals (which is what I'm guessing some mean by "more moral") as opposed to middle or low morals (not immoral)?Having a higher moral standard but not following it wouldn't make one more moral.Please skip the sermon, I know the script.

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz