too intelligent to actually be intelligent?

I do copy that. I guess I do need to read the guide lines.
I was just trying to be a little creative when I made the
'advertisement'. It gets so serious around here.If you look over the corrispondance sense I became a member
I think you will find that I have been the target of
insults much more than the arrow of. I have listed lots
of evidence of why I think the human body is a an
intelligent design and I'm tired of being accused of
not giving any when all they do is sit around and quote
rhetoric from a book.
IC

AdminQuetzal,
Thank you for your feedback and offer for assistance. I was
out of line and had more of the same in my plans. I was
getting too offended by some of the jeers lobbed in my
direction. Their is some good wisdom in the guidelines and
I need to follow them.I need to give some thought about a debate and how best to
pursue my foreward path on this website. I'm very new at
all this and have a lot to learn about being on the ropes.
I will be in touch if needed.
ICDESIGN

Crash,
Thanks for your respectful and thoughtful post. I do
need to learn a lot of things about various aspects
of evolution- and the suggestions you made are good
topics to study. I know that a lot of things in the
science are indeed true and relevent to a limited extent.When I made the statement that I will never believe evolution-
I was refering to macro-evolution or one species crossing
over into an entirely different species. Can I say at this
point that I respect you much more than I've been letting on.I have checked out some things you talk about with other members
besides me and I have to admit you seem like one of the most
articulate members of them all, very smart. Of course being
smart doesn't make you right. A lot of very smart people of
the past were proven to be way off in their conclusions.I haven't talked much about my relationship with God because
my main goal is to prove that the human body is an intelligent
design. I believe that evidence leads to the door step of God
almighty because He is the only one qualified enough to be that
genius. I belive the bible when it says His voice is obeyed by
every atom in the universe.Many ask who designed the designer- the thinking goes, if he
could have a beginning-so could we, and I agree with that.
He has revealed to us that he is eternal- with no beginning or
end. I know that is true to the point of staking my life on it
yet its very hard to put our minds around him having always
been their with no start.Above what any book says- He has revealed Himself to me and
proven many hundred times over he is very real and everything
the bible claims. Their are very sound reasons why we see flaws
in his creation. He told us they are only temporary while
He works the "kinks" (if you will) out of the system. It seems
like a long time to us but one day is as a 1000 years to Him
and a 1000 years as one day.Anyway Crash, this is where I stand.I apologize for the mean things I have said and I would
like to start anew and do things the right way OK?
ICEdited by ICDESIGN, : forgot to put 1000 years as one day

I know the whole natural selection and random mutation shhpeal.
The theory of evolution proposes we are here by accident ie;
no thought was involved. That was my point.
IC

....as a general reply to all your guy's examples:
so your telling me you think placing 10 pennys on
the ground or water and gas levels can be compared
to the human body as an example of intelligent design?Honestly, this is laughable to me. The laws of physics
that God put in place are why levels settle where they do.
And if I saw 20 pennies sitting in a random fashon I
would not equate it with any intelligent design at all.If however I saw the pennys sitting their in a pattern
that spelled "hi their" in the english language it would
be obvious that someone with the ability to think and
spell aranged them that way on purpose.next

...your right, I repent. Please forgive me...

yes I would have been wrong in that case..I retract that-
following a random pattern is not an intelligent design.Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.

...because a picture on a tinker toy box was not random.
Now if you can toss a blank box in the air (however
many times you desire) and it comes down with a picture
on it- you will make a believer out of me.
IC

I wasn't joking and thanks for calling me ignorant again.
I'll be back for more romper room later...

Crash has said on several occasions that you folks have
presented a mountian of evidence. I have seen a pattern
emerge that I would call a sea of half truths,mis-information,
outright lies and bias opinion cloaked in a false
intellectualism!This isn't a fair place to air your opinion-this is the
lyons den of a bunch of evolutionary gang-bangers looking
for their next feeding frenzy. Seems like 99% of you
are hiding amist this above mentioned sea thinking you
are so justified because of all the big intellectual
'sounding' phrases you have learned at school.Crash comes up with his penny analogy and I come back
with a far better one and it goes right over everybody's
head and its "good one Crash"! ...and wasn't even his
to begin with.I was going to come back and address a lot of the questions
posed as I have been but it only leads deeper into
the sea of noise & illusions.If you guys want to believe you can have a design without
a designer go right ahead- God has given you the free will
to make that choice.Let me close my last post for this thread with this:
"you have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent
and have revealed them to the infants. Yes father, for this
was well-pleasing in your sight. Jesus Christ Luke 10:21I admit I am an infant and consider it a great honor!!!!!!!!!!!!

"The evo-babbler is not interested in serious, honest debate, but instead their ultimate goal, sub-conscious or not, is to waste your time. They inundate you with a conveyor belt of red herrings, strawmen, and trivial arguing over words. "...YOU PEOPLE IN CAPITAL LETTERS....

Crashfrog,I was going to move on to a different thread but I think
I'll just say my piece here instead. I'm not into spending
hours of my time answering a bunch of questions and
addressing dead end issues when I can clearly see the
intention of all these evo-babblers. I have a lot of things
going on and I will not waist my time going down senseless
roads. To me all I can see is an endless murky sea of phony
intellectualism. Seems like a bunch of Thurstin Howell lll
wanna be's to me. Know what I mean "luvie"?I would like to focus on one question or answer at a time-
if you could do that with me please?I would like to go back to the start of this thread and finish
talking about the statement you made back in the previous
thread- post #37.( you know, the one where you keep pounding
yourself in the face over and over again?)===============================================
"If the best- the absolute, tip top best design-is unable to match
the complexity and effectiveness of the human body, isn't that
proof that its too complex to have been designed?"
===============================================I still contend you are a complete moron to make such a statement!
And sense they allowed me to open the thread with that comment,
It must be more truth than insult!!!Then on this thread post #31 you said :
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"There's no known DESIGNER with the INTELLIGENCE to
design the human body. Therefore we need to look for a source
of design that is non-intelligent.
===============================================Here you clearly admit the human body IS an intelligent design
but that because you evolutionists don't know God you have to
look for "a source of design that is non-intelligent"!We can't put God in a test tube and "prove" he is there but to
say " their is no 'known' designer" is a false statement. I know
Him and millions upon millions of other people know and
have known Him!I am in full agreement however that YOU don't know Him.
IC

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) a design that exhibits cleverness or "intelligence" in terms of complexity and function
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CLEVERNESS
1) The power of creative imagination
2) Intelligence as manifested in being quick and witty
3) The property of being ingenious. "a PLOT of great ingenuity"DESIGN
1) The act of working out the act of a PLANProve to me how natural selection or random mutation can be
responsible for cleverness or design!A 'PLOT' and a 'PLAN' require thought from an intelligent source.IC

Here we go again with man-made computers and computer programs
again. I admit Crash- that their are a zillion technogogy feats
that blow my mind and are very impressive. I can't answer
how 'this radio' thing happened. Heck, I could go on for pages
listing things I don't understand.This much I DO know- their were no computers when your 'proposed'
evolution started life. Prove to me how you can generate design
with NATURAL (being the key word) selection and RANDOM mutation.
show me how the 'laws of physics = a computer in any way shape
or form (as you claimed one time).Name one thing that appears random about the human body. IC
purposeful intent and design with every aspect from the top
of our head to the tip of out toes. Again, their are 112,000,000
links at Google that testify of a design with purpose and
intelligent genius. These are the true facts!Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.

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Natural selection is responsible for the appearance of design.
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....the appearance of design? Is that like pulling a rabbit
out of you hat. You can't have the appearance of design in
the real world. It is either design or it isn't. And this is
the last of the evo-babbling I will address.