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Author Topic:   Who's More Moral?
tudwell
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Message 13 of 125 (391410)
03-24-2007 11:10 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by anastasia
03-24-2007 11:01 PM


anastasia writes:
But in reality, there are many situations where being good can cause a person to die.
Umm... I think you've misread/misinterpreted something. In Message 7 Rob said (emphasis mine):
quote:
We can only say that with a naturalist framework there is no complelling reason to be good, since good is whatever benefits you and your survival.
If being good is whatever keeps you alive, I don't think being good could possibly kill you. I realize most people have different moral standards where good doesn't equal staying alive, but that's what Rob wrote, and that's what Chris was responding to when he asked:
quote:
isn't your survival a compelling enough of a reason to be good?

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tudwell
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Message 17 of 125 (391417)
03-24-2007 11:31 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by anastasia
03-24-2007 11:23 PM


If you change your goal to survival, rather than the standard of human rights and brotherly love, you change ALL of your other parameters.
I disagree. Human rights are what ensure our survival as a species. There is no changing of the goal nor of any parameters.

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tudwell
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Message 24 of 125 (391425)
03-25-2007 12:08 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Rob
03-24-2007 11:54 PM


Rob writes:
In the Utilitarian and Naturalist reality, no! What benefit is it to me?
You seem to misunderstand utilitarianism. Utilitarianism is doing that which begets the greatest good for the most people. Absolutely not like the nihilistic strawman you've concocted. In fact, you could say it's the opposite.
I don't know what naturalism has to do with morality.
The rest of your post is just a strawman argument. (And I'm having the hardest time figuring out just how your Stephen Hawking quote relates in any way to the rest of your post.)

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tudwell
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Message 30 of 125 (391432)
03-25-2007 12:22 AM
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03-25-2007 12:19 AM


Rob writes:
Ok... define good!
We already did - in fact, you did. Good is survival.

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tudwell
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Message 34 of 125 (391437)
03-25-2007 12:30 AM
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03-25-2007 12:28 AM


anastasia writes:
So Utilitarianism is doing that which begets survival for the most people?
At the most basic level, yes, I suppose it is.

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