The main focus of this topic should be to contrast the morality from a faith perspective and a pragmatic perspective.
Remember that we are arguing the positions and not attempting necessarily to change others views.
Perhaps you can explain to us your perspective on the difference between your vision and societies vision. We should stick to vision and not imagination.
I appreciate your concern for Kuresu. I care about him as well. Our focus would be on defending our positions by showing an understanding of how the other side thinks. Or...perhaps there are no sides.