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Author Topic:   Jesus's motives for performing miracles.
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Message 48 of 69 (358456)
10-24-2006 2:33 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Larni
10-23-2006 8:45 AM


Re: Motivations
larni writes:
"Is it then fair to say that there has to be belief for a miracle to occure and that the divine relies on the 'belief quotient' before it can actuate miracles?"
Yes. All things are possible to him that believe. Faith the size of a mustard seed will move mountains. The bible never really stops stressing the importance of faith. Faith is nothing more than the measure of how much you believe in what ever you believe. I believe that the person being healed's faith is important but also the faith of the healer. In Jesus's case, I believe his faith was so high that if he spoke it, it happened whether or not the "healee" (person being healed. lol) believed it or not.
I don't claim to have all the answers, as some on this site do, but I believe that Jesus's one and only motive for performing miracles
was obeying orders from his father. Satan tempted Jesus to perform vain miracles and he refused saying don't tempt God. That would lead me to believe that miracles were not done through his own will,but through the will of.... you guessed it.... God. I also believe that the purpose of alot of his miracles were to simply show us (us is a nice way of saying ya'll) "non-belivers" or "unfaithful" the power we posses because of God. When he did miracles he told us we can also do these things if we believe. Of Course Man is so arrogant that we(again not including myself) feel if nobody walked on water yet that it's not possible. So we had to be shown a little bit(through Jesus) to see if we would believe the rest. Well.... do ya? I will admit I'm still trying to bend a spoon; but I will not give up.

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Message 68 of 69 (391532)
03-25-2007 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Archer Opteryx
10-26-2006 12:15 PM


Re: Yeshua the Healer
God created everything. Everything he created, he created with a purpose. He created Jesus Christ with a purpose. Everything Jesus did he did because that's what he was created to do. That was his number one reason for doing "anything." God created this world with laws of nature. Regardless to popular belief, everything works a certain way. God sent Jesus to show us that the only true way to heal is through love (for one another) and faith (belief in God). That was God's purpose. Jesus's purpose was to obey his Father, who created him from love. If he created him to hate us all, he would have. One thing I want to point out(not sure what this means) is that in Mathew, Mark, and maybe Luke(not sure about Luke), I never got the impression that Jesus was any different than us. You can't show me that I can do all things with a cheat code on. John may have wrote his beliefs, I think Mathew and Mark wrote facts (the things he did and what he actually told us about himself. Everyone read Mathew and Mark again forgetting what you already think you know and see who he really told you he was. Mark 10 v17 or 18 : Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one. That is God. We can argue until he comes back, but he told us what he really wanted us to know. We just believe what we want. It is no surprise to me that John was written way later than the other two, although I did not know that. When we as people lose someone close to us we sometimes remember them a little more dramatic(I really can't think of a better word) than what the actual account was. I do beleive Jesus was who "He" said "He" was. For God is not a man that he should lie. I don't believe his son was either. I don't need a phd for that either.

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