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Author Topic:   governor of ohio removes abstinence-only program from budget
Dan Carroll
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Message 7 of 62 (391582)
03-26-2007 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Percy
03-24-2007 9:44 AM


First, do you (or anyone) know anything about the accuracy of those statistics, or of what experts in this area feel are the significant contributing factors? A 51% decrease over 12 years seems incredibly dramatic.
The second article doesn't seem to contradict that claim, but it does support the opposition that says abstinence doesn't work in the long run.
quote:
Statewide, teen pregnancy rates have dropped from 42.3 pregnancies for every 1,000 females ages 10 to 19 in 1997 to 33.1 in 2005.
That would only be a 22% drop. So for the 51% figure to be accurate, there would have had to have been a 38% drop between 1993 and 1997. (67.5/1000 to 42.3/1000.) So even if the statistics are taken at face value, the rate of success seems, at best, to have had a strong early success, and to now be slowing.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 9 of 62 (391772)
03-27-2007 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by riVeRraT
03-27-2007 10:46 AM


From that to MTV, video games with violence and sex, and TV in general, even the disney channel has kids kissing kids on it. What else will our kids learn to do, and what will they then crave?
Little known fact about biology... a teenager will not become sexually aroused until they see two kids kissing on the Disney Channel. The human race came very close to extinction before the invention of cable TV, because our bodies refused to become sexually aroused before Lizzie McGuire told us it was okay.
Especially in the teenage years which, as we all know, are like the hormonal equivalent of dumping a bucket of ice water on the nethers. No teenager has ever been aroused by, say, watching paint dry, or counting linoleum tiles.
Edited by Dan Carroll, : for extra snark

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Dan Carroll
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Message 18 of 62 (391975)
03-28-2007 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by riVeRraT
03-27-2007 11:14 PM


But seriously, there is a line between be able to have sex, and being responsible enough to have sex. 12 year children are not responsible enough.
What's your point? I wasn't saying anything about whether or not they should... only that they're going to want to, whether they're exposed to television or not.
Ever see the forty year old virgin? If you think that all people automatically become sexually active when reaching a certain age, your living in a dream world.
Yeah, that movie's a stirring insight into biology. I remember when I lost my virginity, and reality warped around me so that all my friends could run in and sing Age of Aquarius.
That being said, I didn't say everyone loses their virginity the second they get horny. Only that the fact of being a teenager makes a person hornier than every episode of Lilo & Stitch combined (or whatever they're showing on the Disney Channel these days).
You speak from experience?
Having been a teenager who had sex with other teenagers? Sure.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 25 of 62 (392051)
03-28-2007 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by macaroniandcheese
03-28-2007 8:37 PM


Re: Kids need REAL sex education.
Sweet internet Jesus, does that post need a different title.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 32 of 62 (392097)
03-29-2007 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by riVeRraT
03-28-2007 11:50 PM


Yes, teenagers are horny, thanks for pointing out the completely obvious. If you care to read the rest of my posts, you'll understand the point.
If you'll recall, what set off this entire line of argument was you responding to Percy's assertion that both boys and girls are enthusastic about putting a penis in a vagina.
But as it happens, yes, you've now gone off on a tangent about the attitude one brings to sex. However, the monstrous cultural influences to which you point... such as kids kissing on the Disney Channel... are no less ridiculous, even with the goalposts moved.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 35 of 62 (392112)
03-29-2007 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Jazzns
03-29-2007 11:15 AM


Re: Kids need REAL sippy cups!
Aw, shucks.

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