|
Register | Sign In |
|
QuickSearch
EvC Forum active members: 63 (9162 total) |
| |
popoi | |
Total: 916,387 Year: 3,644/9,624 Month: 515/974 Week: 128/276 Day: 2/23 Hour: 0/0 |
Thread ▼ Details |
|
Thread Info
|
|
|
Author | Topic: Denouncing religions ? [New to debate] | |||||||||||||||||||||||
ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
You're still not answering the right question: You are ignoring most of the post. But that aside what part of my post did you not understand other than why I would include evolutionist as trying to prove all religion incorrect. I said:I would say yes in general from what I have read. I would include that from what I read evolutionists are trying to prove all religion incorrect. Now let me qualify my yes by saying everybody can not be correct. At the risk of being called a lot of names let me say if what I believe is correct there are a lot of people wrong. If what I believe is incorrect there are a lot of people wrong. From what I have read=what I have read on this forum. What I believe=what I believe I don't know how to make it any clearer.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: I don't know how to make it any clearer. How about a simple "yes" or "no"? Does your stand on evolution invalidate other religions? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Does your stand on evolution invalidate other religions? What part of evolution you talking about?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: What part of evolution you talking about? The whole thing. Every word that procedeth out of the mouth of Darwin, plus the neoDarwinist Testament. No waffling about micro/macro. Does your stand on evolution invalidate other religions? Yes? No? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
Larni Member (Idle past 184 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
ICANT writes: Do you have something to base this belief on or is it just your opinion? Howdy, ICANT! I can field this one: at about age 4 yrs we develope a sense of other our own reality and the reality of other beings as 'intential beings'. That is to say before this age we see other people as 'not like us'. People are counted as not being self aware and thinking exactly the way we do with no individual identity. If we know something, 'they' know it too. This is called 'theory of mind'. If we do have souls I would contend it starts here.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What I believe=what I believe The question is, why do you continue to believe something that can and has been proven false? You said:
I would include that from what I read evolutionists are trying to prove all religion incorrect. Yet I have posted links for you to the absolute proof that that statement is false. Again, here is yet more such proof.
We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. That is from an open letter currently endorsed and signed by over 10,000 US Christian Clergy and the full letter can be read here. So direct question. Why do you continue to believe that which has been proven false? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
So direct question. Why do you continue to believe that which has been proven false? What makes you think because 10,611 clergy have signed a letter makes something I believe false. I said that from what I read on this forum evolutionists are trying to prove all religion incorrect. What these clergy believe has absolutely no bearing on the conclusions I have come too from reading thousands of posts on this web site.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What makes you think because 10,611 clergy have signed a letter makes something I believe false. I said that from what I read on this forum evolutionists are trying to prove all religion incorrect. Simple logic and honesty prove that what you believe is false. You said evolutionists are trying to prove all religion is false. I happen to be both a Christian and Evolutionist. My simple existence proves your belief false. However, it is also possible that I might be an outlier, a statistical anomaly, so I provided additional evidence, a list of over 10,000 other US Evolutionists who not only are not out to prove all religions wrong but whose profession is actually supporting religion. Evolution has nothing to do with religion. The Theory of Evolution does not in any way relate to religion. Evolutionists in general are not out to prove religion is wrong. There may well be individuals who are trying to prove religion wrong, but if so that is unrelated to whether or not they accept evolution. So once again, why do you not only continue to believe something that is proven false, but to espouse such a false doctrine? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Does your stand on evolution invalidate other religions? My stand on anything including evolution or my belief in something or disbelief in something valadiates nor invalidates anything. Just because I believe something does not make it TRUE. Just because I do not believe something does not make it FALSE.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: My stand on anything including evolution or my belief in something or disbelief in something valadiates nor invalidates anything. So your answer to the OP question - as it applies to you personally - would be "No".(You could have spared us the tap-dancing.) Next, do you think that other Christians believe that their religion invalidates evolution? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
So once again, why do you not only continue to believe something that is proven false, but to espouse such a false doctrine? When did something become a doctrine because I believe it. jar please realize I do not believe everyone that believes in some parts of evolution is trying to destroy religion. I for one am not and I believe in micro evolution. I made the statement: that from what I read evolutionists are trying to prove all religion incorrect.
Message 71 From what I have read=what I have read on this forum. How you can jump to the conclusion that somewhere in there I said ALL evolutionist is beyond my comprehension. I may have caused a little confusion by not qualifying All Religion by not say all but their own. Do I think what I believe about God, Creation, Evolution, The way we should live, What is going to happen after death is correct. ABSOLUTELY 100% Does that make it true ABSOLUTELY NOT Does that invalidate Islam, Buddhist, Hindu, Other denominations, or jar's religion, Absolutely not. It just means if I am right a lot of people are going to wish I was wrong. If I am wrong I lose. Jesus said there is only one way. Since everybody is dead set on proving their way the right way no one ever sits down and discusses the issues they just pound their theology and expect everyone to believe what they believe. jar you can conclude I mean all here. Therefore I conclude that just about everybody is trying to invalidate all other religions but their own in one way or the other.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Next, do you think that other Christians believe that their religion invalidates evolution? I am not qualified to think for other people. I can only read what they say and draw conclusions.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: I am not qualified to think for other people. I'm not asking you to think "for" other people. I'm asking you to think about other people.
I can only read what they say and draw conclusions. I'm asking you, "What are your conclusions?" Do you think that other Christians believe that their religion invalidates evolution? (Please, can you stop all the evasions and just discuss the topic?) Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Message 85
Next, do you think that other Christians believe that their religion invalidates evolution? I really believe that is asking me what I think other people believe means I would have to think for them to know what they believe.
"What are your conclusions?" This one is a little easier. There are a few that their names have been tossed around this forum that I conclude that they would believe that their religion invalidates evolution and all other religions but their own, In fact anybody that disagreed with them. I won't repeat their names. Then there are a few that believe their Christianity is compatible with anything but other peoples Christianity. Just because I believe it that does not make it true.
|
|
|
Do Nothing Button
Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved
Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024