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anglagard
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Message 42 of 62 (392368)
03-30-2007 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by riVeRraT
03-30-2007 4:50 PM


RR Appeals to Censorship
This is wrong.
RiVeRrat writes:
I don't buy that for a second. Public TV should not be showing that stuff period. I mean whats next? Come on.
Plus, while I might be able to control my own kids, I can't control the kids of others who may be watchig that crap, and being corrupted by it, then my kids have to relate to them. What am I supposed to do, shut me and my kids off from the rest of the world?
What is this? Are you actually demanding that you be allowed to censor what I see or read or that you should be in control of how I raise my daughter based upon 'protecting' your kids from reality.
Your TV has a V-chip. Learn how to use it and stay out of my personal business.
Thank You.
TV is a part of life now, and we should have a say in what goes on TV during what time. I exercise full parental control, but it seems the laws change faster than I can find out about it.
What do you mean 'we' should all have a say. I say TV is too censored.
Obviously when you say 'we' you really mean 'you' and those who agree with you should have the right to control what my family sees and hears.
I call bullshit. Who promoted you to public censor or propaganda minister?
If you can't stand stories with sex and violence then better throw that Bible away along with Shakespeare and Kurosawa.

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 837 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 55 of 62 (392716)
04-01-2007 9:24 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by riVeRraT
04-01-2007 12:44 AM


Re: RR Appeals to Censorship
riVeRat writes:
REALITY?
Having your head blown off in detail is hardly a reality for most of us, niether is Harry Potter, Nightmare on ELM st., etc. those things are not reality, they are fiction.
If I want my kids to learn about reality, they will watch documentaries with me, etc.
Fiction still speaks to the human condition, and the human condition is reality. Therefore fiction is not necessarily worthless in learning in the humanities or sciences, as your English teacher would say.
And no, to say that I want to censor what you watch is incorrect, and a false accusation.You can watch whatever you want. But when it comes to PUBLIC TV, it's another story.
You say you want to censor public television more than it is censored today, and I watch public television. Therefore, you want to censor what I see. You just said it in the above three sentences which, by the way, contradict each other.
Your OPINION is no better than my opinion, so get over it.
Oh, I wholeheartedly agree. My opinion is that public television has too much censorship and yours is that it has too little. We differ, so get over it. And stop using the term 'we' when you apparently have no intention of including 'me.'
V-chips don't always work. Of course I know how to use it.
Plus what I am talking about goes beyond what a V-chip can censor.
I don't like some of the ideals that are being taught to my kids over public television, yet I want them to enjoy the same right as the rest of us. I don't care what you think, but TV is programing our youth, plain and simple. I care about the future generations, and I don't like some of the things I see on PUBLIC television, and on cable.
I don't even see a difference between public TV and cable anymore, because today, you all need cable to get anything worth while watching.
You speak of others as if you know all about their lives, when you actually know little or nothing about my family, and I would venture to say not many others. To assume my family is "corrupt" because my daughter watched certain R-rated movies when a child is a complete act of hubris and shows a judgmental streak unworthy of a professed Christian.
Do you think you are the only person who watches television with their child? Are you the only one who uses such material as a teaching opportunity for critical thinking?
If you are not doing this, you may want to reconsider your attitude toward information since your kids can't remain innocent forever, nor would you want them to if you want them to survive. Do you not know knowledge is power?
It is true that as a fan of Penn & Teller, among other sources, my daughter already knew the flaws in her abstinence-only sex-ed program and threatened to ask some embarrassing questions concerning the lies they taught in the program since she was forced to attend. For better or worse, she was sick that day. Yes, such 'adult' material on Showtime may corrupt people into not gullibly accepting whatever any authority figure says is true.
I even wish to censor some of the televangilist I see, because I think they are liars. I am not for people scamming you over the airwaves, and teaching you false stuff.
That begs the question, what would you do with politicians, pundits, and propaganda vehicles such as Faux News?
No, the word "we" means we, we live in a democracy here in the US. Why would you change it?
Who said anything about changing the form of government in the US?
I think your the one who wants to corrupt our youth now, and it's all a one way street for you. You'll go ahead and argue every word of what I said, until you can prove each word wrong on an individual level, and then miss the whole point.
Well you got me there, I guess a librarian who provides people with information for free on a daily basis is a corrupting influence on our poor youth.
This leads to an important point. Why should television be censored for those too poor to afford cable or satellite? Shouldn't all people have equal access to information regardless of money or power? Or are the ethics of the library profession too democratic for your tastes?
I think that public TV and radio should be no more censored than public libraries. You have the right to turn off or get rid of your TV. Once you censor anything, I have lost my right to see what I want in the manner in which I wish.
I don't think you realize the implications of what you are advocating.
I know you have not thought them through regarding equality of access to information.
ABE - This may make an interesting topic for another thread, this one is probably veering off.
Edited by anglagard, : clarity and admin preemption

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 837 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
Joined: 03-18-2006


Message 61 of 62 (392733)
04-01-2007 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by riVeRraT
04-01-2007 11:10 PM


Re: RR Appeals to Censorship
FYI - I created a new thread for this line of discussion at Message 1
Am curious about your exact stand.

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