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Author Topic:   Should the Public Airwaves be More or Less Censored?
riVeRraT
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Message 2 of 310 (392734)
04-02-2007 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by anglagard
04-01-2007 10:31 PM


I'll sum up my position, and we can go from there.
You also may be right, I amy not be aware of what I am advocating, but I am sure I will learn here, and sort it out.
But I do know one thing, and that is, it is not appropiate to show someones head being blown off, in full detail on a Sunday afternoon during a basketball game commercial break.
I also saw another commercial today that I wasn't to happy about, and that is for desperate housewifes, a show that glamorizes women cheating on their husbands, and the commercial contained sexual content, that I feel is not appropiate for my youngest one yet. Again during a basketball game.
I also do not wish to apply restrictions concerning real material. As a matter of fact, I think it is a shear joke that the news will not show real people getting killed, yet in fiction we can watch it over and over.
I only feel that it is fiction that needs the censorship, not real stuff.
I also included things like televangelist who scam, and news programs that put together stories to make them appear to be something different than the truth.
Since it is our elected government (FCC) that makes the rules concerning this, I feel we all have a say it what it should be.

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riVeRraT
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Message 6 of 310 (392771)
04-02-2007 9:08 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by DrJones*
04-02-2007 12:07 AM


Then don't watch the commercials, seriously who doen't change the channel when commercials are on? Or mute it.
Dr.Jones, I consider you a smart guy, can't you figure out for yourself why this not a practicle thing to do?
Why? Sometimes the government just can't let "the people" have their way because "the people" are dumb.
In case you haven't noticed, the government is very busy protecting us from ourselves. And since there are way too many irrisposible parnets these days, I think it's not a bad idea. I can still go to the video store, or PPV, and rent whatever content I want.
You're free to limit what your children watch
But that's my whole point, I am not a free as you say. Why are my kids seeing r rated commercials during a g rated basketball game?

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riVeRraT
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Message 7 of 310 (392772)
04-02-2007 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by subbie
04-02-2007 1:01 AM


Re: No to Censorship
You don't like Desperate Housewives, so you want them not to be able to advertise during programs you like.
That's not what I said. I am saying that the rating of the commercial should at least equal the program being watched.

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riVeRraT
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Message 30 of 310 (393210)
04-03-2007 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Dan Carroll
04-02-2007 9:44 AM


So it's just art, religion, and the media that you feel should be censored. Well, that's awfully big of you.
I am not limiting it to just that, but those are some examples.
Why should it be legal to be lied to on TV?
I'm still unclear (and have been asking for several years while only receiving vague responses) as to how the existence of the FCC is not a violation of the first amendment.
As an ameture radio operater, and an old CB'r who used to come over his neighbors TV sets, I often asked myself the same question.

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riVeRraT
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Message 31 of 310 (393213)
04-03-2007 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Percy
04-02-2007 10:30 AM


Skipping commercials isn't the answer to your concerns, but I just wanted to point out that there are very easy and very inexpensive ways of not watching commercials that are available.
Thanks Percy
I am aware of that stuff already, but it doesn't always apply. Then you can't watch anything live. Plus it costs me extra for those options.
But I appreciate the advice.
It just sucks that we live in a world like this. What about the kids that aren't being supervised by an responsible parent?
I can't think of a commercial that even approaches PG-13, let alone R, so can you give an example of what you're thinking of?
Well last Sunday, during a game, I mentioned that desperate housewives commercial, where a "desperate housewife" gets her clothes torn off by a man down to her lingere. I don't know what rating that falls under, but it sure ain't G.
I can make note of next time I see one, and be more specific. I am sure I won't have to wait long.

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riVeRraT
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Message 32 of 310 (393214)
04-03-2007 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by macaroniandcheese
04-02-2007 11:48 AM


first, stop saying we live in a democracy. that's bullshit. we live in a republic enlightened by the ideas of democracy
Sounds like you've given up, or given in. I think it's time for a revolution. Maybe jar was right, this country will be split into 4.
being exposed to violent, sexual, or otherwise explicit or objectionable material has consistently failed to demonstrate a real and present danger to humanity.
Listen, that is a BS statement. I am 41 years old, and there is a big difference as to how kids act today, and at a younger age, and the words and ideas coming out of their mouths, are way different than when I was a kid. That's damage enough.
at any rate. i was going somewhere with this, and i've now forgotten.
hehe
i'm more disturbed by news mediums displaying real gore than by all the touristas movies combined.
I don't get that.
why i view censorship as the only true evil. because if we cannot speak of something, then we cannot understand why or why not it may be acceptable.
Like I said, I have no problem if what the person is speaking is real. There is no need to sensor the truth. But lies should be sensored, and illegal. Fiction should be sensored because not all children are monitered well enough, and you will never change that.
also, standing with those who you agree with is another kind of free expression. again, they were clarifying its inclusion, not giving a separate right.
Your kind of blending issues, and accusing me falsely.

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riVeRraT
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Message 33 of 310 (393215)
04-03-2007 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by subbie
04-02-2007 11:49 AM


Re: No to Censorship
If the industry rates itself in response to public pressure, bravo! That's the free market. But it ought never be required by the government.
Well then we should get rid of helmet laws, speed limits, local and state building codes, legalize all drugs, drinking age, smoking age, and make all stop signs with white trim around the edges optional.

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riVeRraT
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Message 34 of 310 (393216)
04-03-2007 11:39 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by RAZD
04-02-2007 8:02 PM


What a great opportunity to discuss sex education with your kids ... and let them ask questions.
Believe me, I started that at a very youg age, probably about 5. They must know who and where they cannot be touched, etc.
Do you think this is not going to happen when you are NOT there?
Yea well thats my point.

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riVeRraT
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Message 38 of 310 (393278)
04-04-2007 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by kuresu
04-04-2007 12:48 AM


Re: Fiction Shouldn't Be Censored
Yes, fiction is a wonderful thing, and a very big part of my life, but what is the purpose in letting a 5 year old see a movie like nightmare on elm st.?

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riVeRraT
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Message 40 of 310 (393281)
04-04-2007 8:14 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by macaroniandcheese
04-04-2007 1:27 AM


if parents fail to monitor their own children, that should not force me to be monitored.
I guess you just can't see how that affects you.
we're not discussing lies.
Um, yes I am.
if you choose to be ignorant of the government and the nation we live in, then that's not my problem.
But I am not being ignorant. I am well aware of how the government tries to protect us from ourselves.

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riVeRraT
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Message 41 of 310 (393283)
04-04-2007 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by subbie
04-04-2007 8:13 AM


Re: Fiction Shouldn't Be Censored
I guess you can't see how that affects you either...

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riVeRraT
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Message 43 of 310 (393286)
04-04-2007 8:26 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by subbie
04-04-2007 7:09 AM


Re: No to Censorship
Well then we should get rid of helmet laws, speed limits, local and state building codes, legalize all drugs, drinking age, smoking age, and make all stop signs with white trim around the edges optional.
While I happen to agree with a couple of those things, they have absolutely nothing to do with freedom of speech.
Well they do in a sense. We are not talking about freedom of speech here, we are talking about what goes over the public, and cable television, that children have easy access to.
I am in no way advocating that freedom of speech be regulated. The government owns the airwaves, and that is reality right now.
Since our governement does such a tremendous job of protecting ourselves, from ourselves, then that includes what goes out over the airwaves, when it comes to things that can be readily be seen by children.
I equivocate what people are saying here about parents being responsible for what thier children watch, to good Christians being responsible for what bad Christians do. I find it hypocritical, by the posters in this forum.

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riVeRraT
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Message 44 of 310 (393287)
04-04-2007 8:29 AM
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04-04-2007 8:20 AM


Re: Fiction Shouldn't Be Censored
So what? Just because something affects me doesn't give me the right to tell someone else how to live their life. You gotta do better than that.
We are talking about children here, not the entire general p

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riVeRraT
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Message 54 of 310 (393411)
04-05-2007 12:59 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by subbie
04-04-2007 8:57 AM


Re: No to Censorship
You're going to have to explain to me how the government telling broadcasters what they can show and what they can't isn't a freedom of speech issue, because it sure sounds like one to me.
Take a look at how freedom of speech originated.
You must take into account the spirit of that consitutional law.
Freedom of Speech was not originated so that people can freely offend each other, it was originated so that people make legally speak out against government, and things in general that were hurting them.
Freedom of speech has stipulations, like the miller test, and the hicklin test.
quote:
The Hicklin test is a legal concept stemming from the English case R. v. Hicklin (1868), LR 3 QB 360, in English Common Law.
Congress can outlaw anything that, "deprives and corrupts those whose minds are open to such immoral influences and into whose hands a publication of this sort might fall." (i.e. children)
Since it's not a guarantee that all children will be supervised, then it is entirely probably (if not 100%) that children will get to see something offensive to them before a given age.
Even if they were supervised, sometimes you just can't shut the TV off fast enough.
I don't get you ppl. It's ok to have an abortion when the birth control fails. What we goona do when the V-chip fails, or the TV can't be shut off fast enough? Extract the childrens brains out?
Ah, but don't worry, in a few more years there will memory earsing devices, like a metal strainer attached to a kids head. We will have nirvana, even if it has to be.
You roll your eyes at the statement that the government does a good job at protecting us from ourselves, yet continue to insist that the government can regulate speech for our protection. I must say I'm completely mystified at your ability to hold both those positions at the same time.
Well I gotta give you a star. Very few people recognize that I am actually in the middle about most issues. Good catch. I have the ability (God given) to be able to see both sides of the fence in most circumstances, limited by my knowledge.
Believe me, nobody hates the way government controls us more than me, or do I want to take anyones freedom of speech away, I would rather be dead. But there is a real issue, that cannot be avoided, and the current solutions for it, just ain't workin brotha. I see the minds of our youth being corrupted at an early age, much earlier than when I was a kid. I am not putting all the blame on TV, but it is one step that maybe we can do something about.

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riVeRraT
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Message 55 of 310 (393412)
04-05-2007 1:03 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by subbie
04-04-2007 9:06 AM


Re: Fiction Shouldn't Be Censored
If we are forced to reduce all programming to the level that no kid is going to be bothered by it, we'll be left with Sesame Street and the Teletubbies.
Teletubbies offend me, especially that purple thing with the bag
I'm not a kid, and I ought to have the right to watch programming that may not be suitable for kids.
I don't want you to lose that right either.
You are certainly free to expound on why those ideas are bad and influence the marketplace of ideas. You are not entitled to shut that marketplace down.
That all depends on the law.

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