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Message 14 of 310 (392793)
04-02-2007 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Dan Carroll
04-02-2007 10:00 AM


nor should it.
we have the right to speech. presumably, we have a right not to listen, but we don't have the right to not be offended. it doesn't exist. and don't give me pursuit of happiness crap. that's not in the constitution.

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Message 15 of 310 (392794)
04-02-2007 11:20 AM
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04-02-2007 10:59 AM


So I researched the area and tried a couple other approaches. These didn't work either. In order to be absolutely certain of allowing no PG-13 or worse content through when the level is set to PG, the only sites allowed through are things like http://www.pbskids.com. CNN, NY Times, etc, were all off-limits, which kind of puts a crimp on your 10-year old's current events research for class.
i had to do a project for class on breast cancer senior year of high school. i got in trouble for searching "breast" on the library computers.

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Message 17 of 310 (392802)
04-02-2007 11:48 AM
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04-02-2007 12:01 AM


U.S. Constitution | U.S. Constitution | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.
first, stop saying we live in a democracy. that's bullshit. we live in a republic enlightened by the ideas of democracy. in that, we protect the rights of the few instead of enforcing the desires of the many. however, this translates into we restrict no rights that the few desire except when it very clearly presents a real and present danger. being exposed to violent, sexual, or otherwise explicit or objectionable material has consistently failed to demonstrate a real and present danger to humanity. rome failed because of lead pipes and arrogance, not the exposure of their children to the buttseks.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
we have the right to express ourselves however we choose in any public or private forum whether supported or funded or not by the government or private interest. the censorship part of the fcc is unconstitutional. however, very few go up against them and win. it is the government. this should worry us. a lot. this should terrify us. this shouldn't make us feel safe in our sex and violence free homes.
likewise, no one should be capable of knowing or viewing what media you decide to view in your home without your express permission, excepting when there is suspicion of real criminal activity. this is entirely off-topic here, but i'm still not sure why this isn't a sufficient right of privacy. at any rate. i was going somewhere with this, and i've now forgotten.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
these appear to cause difficulty. but. they guarantee the right of the people to do as they please, not the right of the people to restrict the rights of other people. basically, 9 means "just because we didn't explicitly say 'people can have buttseks' doesn't mean they can't", not "just because we didn't say that 'people have the right to lynch people for having buttseks' doesn't mean they can't."
i'm disturbed by your need to censor fiction. fiction isn't real. it should be the most safe of mediums. i'm more disturbed by news mediums displaying real gore than by all the touristas movies combined.
frankly, i think basketball (and other sports), which glamorizes the absence of education and academia should be rated higher. i think it's dangerous propaganda which proclaims the importance of physical prowess over intellectual capability. i think sports events should be reserved for late night television when impressionable children should be in bed.
there are a few fiction books on censorship that you should probably read, and maybe you will come to at least comprehend (if not agree) why i view censorship as the only true evil. because if we cannot speak of something, then we cannot understand why or why not it may be acceptable. this is why the founding fathers put it in that first amendment. religion is a kind of free speech. they were merely clarifying its inclusion. also, standing with those who you agree with is another kind of free expression. again, they were clarifying its inclusion, not giving a separate right.

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Message 21 of 310 (392808)
04-02-2007 12:05 PM
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04-02-2007 11:55 AM


haha. (i was referring to our horrible filth infringing on their pursuit of happiness. of course, why they're watching tv instead of being at church, i'll never know. [i'm probably going to get suspended for this.])

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Message 36 of 310 (393249)
04-04-2007 1:27 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by riVeRraT
04-03-2007 11:33 PM


Sounds like you've given up, or given in.
what the hell are you talking about? have you no idea what country we live in? you're insane. blatantly insane. we need some kind of revolution, but not one lead by the politically illiterate.
the words and ideas coming out of their mouths, are way different than when I was a kid.
prove it. show me all the literature from the 1940s to the 1970s and prove it has nothing in it like what we have now. we didn't invent this shit. and maybe your mouth was different, but i promise you it's not new.
i'm more disturbed by news mediums displaying real gore than by all the touristas movies combined.
I don't get that.
because i believe that the loss of real human life is different than the loss of a false character through cg in a movie. further, i believe real death deserves some privacy and should not be used for ratings. btw, this adds to my distaste for anti-abortion protester's posters. have some fucking decency. anyways. off-topic.
But lies should be sensored, and illegal. Fiction should be sensored because not all children are monitered well enough, and you will never change that.
if parents fail to monitor their own children, that should not force me to be monitored. we're not discussing lies. we're discussing the free expression of thought and idea. should pilgrim's progress or the bible be censored? the first is definitely fiction and the second has a rather weak footing on reality. are you aware of the role that fiction played in founding our country? oh no, you probably aren't, since you can't even figure out what kind of government we have.
people who can't spell censorship shouldn't be able to practice it.
Your kind of blending issues, and accusing me falsely.
i'm discussing the reality of the constitution. there is no blending. there is only reality. if you choose to be ignorant of the government and the nation we live in, then that's not my problem.

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Message 48 of 310 (393301)
04-04-2007 10:07 AM
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04-04-2007 8:14 AM


clearly you're just not discussing anything with anyone. you're just ranting about basketball and bad commercials. get over it.
i'm so done with this.

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Message 57 of 310 (393414)
04-05-2007 1:08 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by riVeRraT
04-05-2007 1:05 AM


if it's such a problem, turn it off. you don't have the right to restrict the viewing of the rest of us. period. ever. the fcc's current censorship is unconstitutional. the first amendment doesn't say "true speech" it says "speech". all speech, all expression is protected. period. that's it. if you don't like it, then you don't understand why it's there.

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Message 61 of 310 (393418)
04-05-2007 1:18 AM
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04-05-2007 1:15 AM


between your wiki, and my government and constitutional law classes... who do you really think has a better idea of what the law says?

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Message 66 of 310 (393505)
04-05-2007 1:46 PM
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04-05-2007 12:59 AM


Re: No to Censorship
What we goona do when the V-chip fails
you turn the tv off. not just then, all the time. it works for me. i control what i expose myself to and when. i watch dvds sometimes and i rarely go to the movies. i read, i listen to music, i don't expose myself to commercials. there's these amazing things called books... except you'd probably want to censor those too, in case the kids aren't supervised at the library...

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Message 69 of 310 (393525)
04-05-2007 3:04 PM
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04-05-2007 2:16 PM


Re: Who needs TV
it's just a waste of time and a way for them to sell you stuff.

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Message 128 of 310 (394329)
04-10-2007 5:59 PM
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04-10-2007 2:15 PM


Re: No to Censorship
no, it says grossly offensive to the point at which it becomes a nuisance. so, this means repetitive, irritating, language that a normal person used to the culture (the offensive culture in this nation) would be bothered by. and this is language. this is words. like FUCK, and SHIT, and CUM, and CUNTWAD, and BLEEDING SNATCH ROT. it doesn't say anything about a woman not wearing a turtleneck once a month during a commercial for a show during primetime watched by adults.
anyways. i'm so not even going to go into the discussion i want to have about the unconstitutionality of the fcc. it tends to work despite it's unconcstitutionality and most people don't seem to know enough to have a problem with it. just like almost all children stand up for the pledge in school even though they don't have to and it's unconstitutional to demand it. most people don't make a fuss. cause most people don't give a fuck. and that is not a demonstration of how great the program is, but how dangerously complacent american citizens are.

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Message 129 of 310 (394330)
04-10-2007 6:04 PM
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04-10-2007 5:55 PM


Re: No to Censorship
One doesn't have to know the reasons why. It is the law.
really?
mr OMGWTFBBQ DemOCraCY!!@!!!!!1111!@@!!! doesn't think we need to question laws? just a minute ago you were screaming about how we should be able to make the fcc further restrict things, but wondering why the fcc has a right to restrict things is anathema? what the hell is wrong with your brain?

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Message 130 of 310 (394331)
04-10-2007 6:05 PM
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04-10-2007 5:58 PM


Re: No to Censorship
Corupting the minds of our youth is, to me, an erosion of freedom
who gets to decide what corruption is? you? why you?

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Message 133 of 310 (394338)
04-10-2007 6:36 PM
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04-10-2007 6:15 PM


Re: No to Censorship
Surely you don't think it is the same thing if you say the word fuck to a 3 year old, as if you say it to a 40 year old?
can we at least agree that being offended is relative?
nope. not really. well. you're more likely to be offended by some things than i am and i'm more likely to be offended by others, but i don't think it's relative by any set variable. i think you're right about the 3 year old though. 3 year olds tend to forget things more easily. like goldfish.
When did I say we shouldn't question the laws?
when asked why the fcc is allowed to restrict freedom of speech, you said
One doesn't have to know the reasons why.
that sounds to me like not questioning the laws.
Please, please explain to me, why you think that I singularly want to control what corruption is. I have never eluded to that fact, not a once. yet, all of you have been arguing the "me" stand point.
I say us, you say me, something wrong here.
because i don't think that allowing children to see sex is corrupting. because i don't think that children knowing that people cheat is corrupting. because i don't think that FUCK has the power to destroy young minds. because i don't agree with your ideas of what is inapproprite material, and i'm not the only one who disagrees with you. if we all get a say in who doesn't get to say stuff, then no one will get to say anything. that's why everyone gets to say what they like (or produce what they like) as long as it doesn't constitute a clear and present danger (like yelling bomb in an airport).
and i don't condense my posts because it makes it easier for me to keep track of what i'm responding to, and i bet the lurking readers feel the same. and i like to hear you whine about how people are harrassing you. cause it's fun.

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Message 140 of 310 (394425)
04-11-2007 11:27 AM
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04-11-2007 9:04 AM


Re: No to Censorship
as to being relative, you were inferring that i should agree with you that offensive is relative by age. it isn't. offensive is relative to being raised to be offended by things.
It's awesome that a 3 year old can forget goldfish, and that is most likely due to the fact that goldfish would not have an impact on their undeveloped brain. Watching someones head be blown off would. I can remember things all the way back when I was 1.5 years old, and they were significant things, and I definately remember the first time I saw someone die on TV.
like goldfish was referring to the fact that children, like goldfish, forget things very easily.
The topic of this thread is, should the public airwaves be more or less censored, not, should the FCC have control over the airwaves.
the fcc is the body that censors the airwaves. therefore a discussion of whether the airwaves should be more or less censored involves a discussion of why the fcc claims the right to censor in the first place. logic, nutjob.
Just stating the facts.
no. harrassment is uninvited. you continue to post, therefore you invite comment. if you don't like it. sucks.
Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

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