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jar
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Message 44 of 196 (393130)
04-03-2007 4:19 PM 		Reply to: Message 43 by joshua221
04-03-2007 4:10 PM

Re: Dear Sir,
Ignatius writes:
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If I were to tell you:
"There are no absolutes!"
Isn't that an absolute?
Rubbish.
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Classic tactic from the Christian Cult of Ignorance, presenting a strawman argument as though it were a valid consideration.
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No one has said that there are no absolutes.
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What people have said is that so far no one has been able to show an example of absolute morality or an absolute moral.
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If you know of such a critter, please place it on the table to be examined.
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Absolutes exist. No one has said that they do not.
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So far there is no evidence that Absolute Morality exists.
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Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Message 80 of 196 (393330)
04-04-2007 1:05 PM 		Reply to: Message 77 by ethics
04-04-2007 9:38 AM

The Jack Chick of Athens
IIRC, and I will admit that it has been a half century near about since I bothered reading the dialog you referenced, but IIRC it is from Plato's Dialogs, and as everyone knows, Plato was the Jack Chick of Athens, creating silly little pantomimes where the part of Punch is played by Socrates and Punch's foil by someone from Central Casting.
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The technique of writing skits where you closely control the dialog was of course not new, and has been used effectively down through the ages. Additional nuances on method were learned based on the short run when the character Simplicio was introduced as foil for Salviati, but it is no doubt that the art form reached its current peak, as can be seen in today's Chick Tracts, only recently.
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There are a few indications though of where the technique is headed in such monumental works as Sponge Bob Square Pants and the astounding moral epic Hannah Montana.
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Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Message 121 of 196 (393746)
04-06-2007 5:31 PM 		Reply to: Message 119 by New Cat's Eye
04-06-2007 2:58 PM

Re: Talkin' 'bout my morality...
Can you give me an example of something that you can do which would effect GOD?
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Message 142 of 196 (394032)
04-09-2007 10:41 AM 		Reply to: Message 141 by New Cat's Eye
04-09-2007 10:08 AM

Re: Talkin' 'bout my morality...
I'm sorry but what you posted seems totally contradictory and just play with words.
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You say:
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Well, I don’t think that I can really effect GOD, but I think that some of the things I do can effect Him within me. You know, the whole “my body is a temple” thingy.
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Sure I've heard those words before, but have you thought about what they mean?
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So, something like drunkenness could have an effect on god, through me, but I don’t think that little ol’ me is really having much of an effect on GOD. Still though, my conscience tells me that heavy intoxication is hurting god too.
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How is it hurting God?
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You say in the same paragraph that you can not affect God and that you are affecting God.
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Some other people responded with replies that echo the previous line. The things that are immoral only because of their effects on god should no longer be immoral if you’re an atheist.
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What can you do that will effect God?
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I also have to admit that the threat of punishment persuades me to avoid punishable behaviors. Removing god as one of the sources of punishment will lead to me behaving more immorally.
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It seems that the heart of the argument from the theists like yourself is that you believe you are incapable of responsible behavior unless such behavior is coerced.
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