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joshua221 
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Message 43 of 196 (393129)
04-03-2007 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Neutralmind
04-02-2007 8:57 PM


Dear Sir,
Do not trust these people. Not one has read a moral philosopher.
If I were to tell you:
"There are no absolutes!"
Isn't that an absolute?
Rubbish.

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joshua221 
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Message 50 of 196 (393140)
04-03-2007 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Neutralmind
04-03-2007 4:29 PM


Re: Good question...
"crashfrog
Moral relativism is simply the recognition that morality depends on the situation. Is it right to steal? No, but what about stealing to feed a starving family? Moral relativism is simply the recognition that moral situations are often complex and nuanced, and simple statements like "thou shalt not steal" fail to encapsulate the proper response to every situation."
You Kant understand!

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joshua221 
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Message 54 of 196 (393147)
04-03-2007 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Chiroptera
04-03-2007 4:57 PM


Re: Good question...
I imagine some poor soul will find meaning in my words...

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joshua221 
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Message 59 of 196 (393162)
04-03-2007 6:05 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by crashfrog
04-03-2007 5:41 PM


Excuse me
What type of relativism are you advocating?
Explain your stance on morality briefly, please

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joshua221 
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Message 61 of 196 (393170)
04-03-2007 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by crashfrog
04-02-2007 11:07 PM


This is what relativism is:
From Steven Luper in A Guide to Ethics :
quote:
Pluralism-there is more than one true morality
Emotivist relativism-Moral judgements are expressions of emotional reactions that vary across groups
Individual relativism-The standards a person accepts determine what she should do, and these vary across persons
Cultural relativism-Each person's culture's standards determine what he should do, and these vary across cultures
How can relativism be defended so staunchly? No moral philosopher supports moral relativism. Look in any morality book and you will see relativism demolished.
Can one among you truly reason? Have you not read of Socrates decimating the Sophists?

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joshua221 
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Message 65 of 196 (393177)
04-03-2007 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by crashfrog
04-03-2007 6:40 PM


Re: This is what relativism is:
I'm am heading for the library at this very instant to retrieve his words written by Plato.
Your disrespect towards Socrates only further reveals your character as an intellectual juvenile.
You will be soundly thrashed upon my return.

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joshua221 
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Message 66 of 196 (393178)
04-03-2007 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by crashfrog
04-03-2007 6:44 PM


Re: This is what relativism is:
Gather your sources as I am gathering mine, please.
This Confederacy of Dunces will be toppled.

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joshua221 
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Message 70 of 196 (393219)
04-03-2007 11:51 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by crashfrog
04-03-2007 6:57 PM


"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." -Jonathan Swift
I told crashfrog why relativism is bunk. He said "Who cares what Socrates said! You haven't proven anything". I also noted that moral relativism is not supported by one moral philosopher. He said there are. Heidegger, Sartre and someone else of little significance. Then I asked him to support his claim as I promised I would read Socrates's words to back up mine. He then tried and failed to turn philosophy into a perversion based on what he knows best: video games. crashfrog doesn't want to support his assertion. His names he offered to me are probably crudely based from an internet website. There is no need to dwell on such perversion.
I wish to tell you a story that Socrates told me within Protagoras
Socrates dealt with Protagoras, a sophist him and his friend went to see. Socrates sensed that Protagorous would no longer continue in the argument as he had questioned him into disproving one of his own convictions. Holy is holiness. Justice is just. Everything has one opposite Protagorous thought. But holiness is just. Socrates had called P. out on this but P. responded with what is known as "rhetoric" or what is also known as "fluff" or eloquent bullshit. Socrates thus called P. out on this and P. became agitated to the point where there was no hope for further discussion. As Socrates was leaving, the men there pulled him back over saying that it would be wrong if Socrates left without completing the argument. After much deliberation and details that are important but aren't central for my message for you all, Socrates was able to reengage Protagoras.
My point in all this has to do with the suggestions of the men to aid in getting the argument going once more. It was suggested that there be a chairman or referee to make sure that the argument was kept under control. The long drawn out speeches of Pythagoras would be kept on eye and the question and answer style of Socrates i.e. the Socratic method would be monitored. Socrates rejected this approach because he reasoned that there was noone there that was greater than Protagoras and that having someone who is lesser than the participants in the argument referee would ruin the argument. The people there were all inferior to Socrates and P. This was generally accepted. The moderators here are similar. They keep watchful eye over the discussion and whenever it drifts, often above their heads, they pounce upon the person. Most of the time admittedly, the moderation works because there is noone here of any type of merit. When a person like me surfaces it is a different story. I am not an average joe who views knowledge as competition or some game as this character crashfrog obviously does. I am at the pinnacle of human reasoning and therefore, I would never survive here. I wanted to help you people but I think this post is like Moses preaching to the people. If you can't believe now, a miracle couldn't help you. Thank God for freedom of thought. I hold no grudge against all of you and your inadequacies. I hope I do not hurt the feelings of any of you. If one among you hears me than this is all worth it. I know this is not the case. This confederacy of dunces so to speak would never be able to begin to fathom the complexities of higher thought. Although what I am presenting here is rather plain, it is higher thought. Thank God for freedom of thought. The good can't get dragged down in the murky waters on the floor of this Godforsaken cave.
Thank you for your time. Crashfrog I feel sorry for you and the people that buy your less than sophomoric thoughts if I dare call such drivel that. At least you'll never be consumed by this game called life.
Read a good book,
Ignatius J. Reilly
Edited by Ignatius, : No reason given.
Edited by Ignatius, : No reason given.

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