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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Skipping commercials isn't the answer to your concerns, but I just wanted to point out that there are very easy and very inexpensive ways of not watching commercials that are available. Thanks Percy I am aware of that stuff already, but it doesn't always apply. Then you can't watch anything live. Plus it costs me extra for those options. But I appreciate the advice. It just sucks that we live in a world like this. What about the kids that aren't being supervised by an responsible parent?
I can't think of a commercial that even approaches PG-13, let alone R, so can you give an example of what you're thinking of? Well last Sunday, during a game, I mentioned that desperate housewives commercial, where a "desperate housewife" gets her clothes torn off by a man down to her lingere. I don't know what rating that falls under, but it sure ain't G. I can make note of next time I see one, and be more specific. I am sure I won't have to wait long.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
first, stop saying we live in a democracy. that's bullshit. we live in a republic enlightened by the ideas of democracy Sounds like you've given up, or given in. I think it's time for a revolution. Maybe jar was right, this country will be split into 4.
being exposed to violent, sexual, or otherwise explicit or objectionable material has consistently failed to demonstrate a real and present danger to humanity. Listen, that is a BS statement. I am 41 years old, and there is a big difference as to how kids act today, and at a younger age, and the words and ideas coming out of their mouths, are way different than when I was a kid. That's damage enough.
at any rate. i was going somewhere with this, and i've now forgotten. hehe
i'm more disturbed by news mediums displaying real gore than by all the touristas movies combined. I don't get that.
why i view censorship as the only true evil. because if we cannot speak of something, then we cannot understand why or why not it may be acceptable. Like I said, I have no problem if what the person is speaking is real. There is no need to sensor the truth. But lies should be sensored, and illegal. Fiction should be sensored because not all children are monitered well enough, and you will never change that.
also, standing with those who you agree with is another kind of free expression. again, they were clarifying its inclusion, not giving a separate right. Your kind of blending issues, and accusing me falsely.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
If the industry rates itself in response to public pressure, bravo! That's the free market. But it ought never be required by the government. Well then we should get rid of helmet laws, speed limits, local and state building codes, legalize all drugs, drinking age, smoking age, and make all stop signs with white trim around the edges optional.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
What a great opportunity to discuss sex education with your kids ... and let them ask questions. Believe me, I started that at a very youg age, probably about 5. They must know who and where they cannot be touched, etc.
Do you think this is not going to happen when you are NOT there? Yea well thats my point.
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2534 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
actually, fiction is a wonderful tool for examining society. looking at real life, things are too muddled to examine things and see how they work clearly. Fiction works because it's an exaggeration. why is Gulliver's Travels effective? Why 1984? Why Animal Farm? Why "Mister Smith Goes to Washington"?
fiction shouldn't be censored.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3949 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
Sounds like you've given up, or given in. what the hell are you talking about? have you no idea what country we live in? you're insane. blatantly insane. we need some kind of revolution, but not one lead by the politically illiterate.
the words and ideas coming out of their mouths, are way different than when I was a kid. prove it. show me all the literature from the 1940s to the 1970s and prove it has nothing in it like what we have now. we didn't invent this shit. and maybe your mouth was different, but i promise you it's not new.
i'm more disturbed by news mediums displaying real gore than by all the touristas movies combined. I don't get that. because i believe that the loss of real human life is different than the loss of a false character through cg in a movie. further, i believe real death deserves some privacy and should not be used for ratings. btw, this adds to my distaste for anti-abortion protester's posters. have some fucking decency. anyways. off-topic.
But lies should be sensored, and illegal. Fiction should be sensored because not all children are monitered well enough, and you will never change that. if parents fail to monitor their own children, that should not force me to be monitored. we're not discussing lies. we're discussing the free expression of thought and idea. should pilgrim's progress or the bible be censored? the first is definitely fiction and the second has a rather weak footing on reality. are you aware of the role that fiction played in founding our country? oh no, you probably aren't, since you can't even figure out what kind of government we have. people who can't spell censorship shouldn't be able to practice it.
Your kind of blending issues, and accusing me falsely. i'm discussing the reality of the constitution. there is no blending. there is only reality. if you choose to be ignorant of the government and the nation we live in, then that's not my problem.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1276 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Well then we should get rid of helmet laws, speed limits, local and state building codes, legalize all drugs, drinking age, smoking age, and make all stop signs with white trim around the edges optional. While I happen to agree with a couple of those things, they have absolutely nothing to do with freedom of speech. Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Yes, fiction is a wonderful thing, and a very big part of my life, but what is the purpose in letting a 5 year old see a movie like nightmare on elm st.?
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subbie Member (Idle past 1276 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
As far as I'm concerned, that's for the kid's parent to decide and control. None of my business.
Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
if parents fail to monitor their own children, that should not force me to be monitored. I guess you just can't see how that affects you.
we're not discussing lies. Um, yes I am.
if you choose to be ignorant of the government and the nation we live in, then that's not my problem. But I am not being ignorant. I am well aware of how the government tries to protect us from ourselves.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I guess you can't see how that affects you either...
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subbie Member (Idle past 1276 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
I can see how a million things that other people do affect me. So what? Just because something affects me doesn't give me the right to tell someone else how to live their life. You gotta do better than that.
Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Well then we should get rid of helmet laws, speed limits, local and state building codes, legalize all drugs, drinking age, smoking age, and make all stop signs with white trim around the edges optional. While I happen to agree with a couple of those things, they have absolutely nothing to do with freedom of speech. Well they do in a sense. We are not talking about freedom of speech here, we are talking about what goes over the public, and cable television, that children have easy access to. I am in no way advocating that freedom of speech be regulated. The government owns the airwaves, and that is reality right now. Since our governement does such a tremendous job of protecting ourselves, from ourselves, then that includes what goes out over the airwaves, when it comes to things that can be readily be seen by children. I equivocate what people are saying here about parents being responsible for what thier children watch, to good Christians being responsible for what bad Christians do. I find it hypocritical, by the posters in this forum.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
So what? Just because something affects me doesn't give me the right to tell someone else how to live their life. You gotta do better than that. We are talking about children here, not the entire general p
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subbie Member (Idle past 1276 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
You're going to have to explain to me how the government telling broadcasters what they can show and what they can't isn't a freedom of speech issue, because it sure sounds like one to me. And the government doesn't own the airwaves in this country, the public does. They are not one and the same.
You see hypocracy on this board and in this forum? So do I. But since I've never said generally that anyone is responsible for what someone else does, your charge doesn't apply to me. You roll your eyes at the statement that the government does a good job at protecting us from ourselves, yet continue to insist that the government can regulate speech for our protection. I must say I'm completely mystified at your ability to hold both those positions at the same time. Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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