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Author Topic:   Why Are Christians Afraid To Doubt?
CTD
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Message 255 of 300 (393060)
04-03-2007 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by ringo
04-03-2007 11:02 AM


Well, I'm at least one exception that proves you wrong. The historical existence of Jesus - never mind whether or not He rose from the dead - is irrelevant to the gospel. If you examine your faith, you might come to understand that.
Am I to understand you invented a straw man Christianity in order to dispute what I said, and then decided to convert to it in order to conform to the rules? Puh-leeze!
Well, you got me to smile. Gotta split.

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CTD
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Message 282 of 300 (393239)
04-04-2007 12:47 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by Larni
04-03-2007 12:41 PM


Logic ain't all that
To commit a logical fallacy is to go against logic. Logic has not failed, the user has failed.
Either way, the premise that we can rely on answers because we used logic to obtain them is clearly falsified. Knowledge obtained in this way is very much subject to error.
"Logic is not a tool which can guarantee perfect results". Would that be a better way to put it?
And lest we think logic is perfect, where did we get it? Was the source subject to error?

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CTD
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Message 286 of 300 (393250)
04-04-2007 2:05 AM
Reply to: Message 259 by crashfrog
04-03-2007 1:20 PM


It's now time for you to present some in favor of it, or else this discussion is pretty much over.
I confess there is no evidence which circular reasoning cannot reject. End of discussion.
crashfrog writes:
I've never asserted that the martyrs weren't sincere. But their sincerity is not evidence in favor of the veracity of their views. It's only evidence of the incredible power of religion to deceive.
Fine. Have you any plausible scenario by which the martyrs who testified to the resurrection of Jesus were deceived? If so, you're welcome to submit it. If not, please say so.
It's not hard to get people to believe things they know aren't true; a lot of people will do it just because everybody else is.
My observations give me no evidence with which I might honestly dispute this statement.

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Message 290 of 300 (393260)
04-04-2007 3:44 AM
Reply to: Message 268 by anastasia
04-03-2007 2:27 PM


crashfrog wrote:
11,000 individual Christian denominations worldwide, that differ on every conceivable doctrinal point. And that doesn't even include para-Christian traditions.
anastasia responds:
Sure, 11,000 sects that believe in the God of the OT who revealed himself via Christ for the good of mankind. You are being obstinate, and exactly what I told you. You are not willing to see another person's perspective.
I think what crashfrog proposes is that if a liar managed to infiltrate a Christian church, it invalidates Christian beliefs. Or if a liar wrote a fake Bible, it invalidates the true Bible. Or if a liar merely formed his own belief system, and called himself a Christian.
Maybe it would take more than one. Maybe a handful. I was trying to help clarify the situation; but I guess we'll have to wait for crashfrog to give us a logical number. And maybe some reasoning to back up this contention.

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