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Author Topic:   How can Biologists believe in the ToE?
ICANT
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Message 31 of 304 (393463)
04-05-2007 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by DrJones*
04-05-2007 4:05 AM


Re: Re-Questions
8. How did all the elements that created our fossil fuels get together in the places they are in?
8. not a question that the ToE will give you an answer too, go talk to the geology people.
I will accept that for right now but will add it back for more explanation with one of my tougher questions.

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Message 32 of 304 (393473)
04-05-2007 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by ICANT
04-05-2007 10:05 AM


Re: Re-Questions
All of these questions pretain to why I don't see how anyone can believe in the ToE.
Yet you continue to repeat falsehoods?
You have been told.
No one "believes" in the Theory of Evolution", it is simply the best explanation to date for the evidence seen.
There is ZERO evidence for some God poofing fully formed critters into existence.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 33 of 304 (393474)
04-05-2007 10:56 AM


Topic Warning
ICANT's laundry list of questions will destroy this thread with topic digressions.
ICANT: As suggested pick individual questions and open threads for each. Try to go back to what you should have learned and pick those actually relevant to evolutionary biology.
I'm closing the topic for a couple of hours to allow everyone to note that they should avoid ICANT laundry list.

nator
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Message 34 of 304 (393658)
04-06-2007 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by ICANT
04-05-2007 10:05 AM


Re: Re-Questions
Are you going to define "kind", or not?
quote:
You already told me I was not qualified to define kind or anything else that would be involved in science.
I was going to suggest that we take this discussion of "kind" to another thread, but it would be a waste of bandwidth. I'll put this to rest right now.
"Kind" is not a scientific term. It is one that is used only by Creationists.
If there actually was a definition, you would have provided it by now. There is no definion.
If there actually was a method that any believer or non-believer could use to determine one "kind" from another, you would have been able to explain it to me. There isn't.
It is a sad little attempt by Creationists to make the bible into a science text. They tried to mimic scientific taxonomy and, as you can see, fail miserably. You have been lied to, my friend.
quote:
All of these questions pretain to why I don't see how anyone can believe in the ToE.
I'm going to ask this as plainly as I can.
Do you think that people with PhD's in Biology are stupid?

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Message 35 of 304 (393681)
04-06-2007 11:33 AM
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04-06-2007 9:04 AM


Re: Re-Questions
nator writes:
Do you think that people with PhD's in Biology are stupid?
I vaguely remember someone on here repeatedly making the claim that biologists are not stupid, they just don't have "god-sight"... or something like that.
I also saw on CNN Larry King where he invited a reverend creationist on the show. The reverend said that he's been to a university a few times and have found that while it had a lot of knowledge there was no wisdom at all. Larry King asked him what he meant by wisdom and the reverend said that wisdom was seeing god as the driving force behind everything.
So, clearly, at least some creationists are not saying biologists are stupid. They're just saying that biologists don't have the so-called god-sight. And thank goodness for that!

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nator
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Message 36 of 304 (394056)
04-09-2007 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by ICANT
04-05-2007 10:11 AM


bump for ICANT
Just trying to keep this thread near the top of the list as we await ICANT's return.

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nator
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Message 37 of 304 (394176)
04-09-2007 11:56 PM
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04-09-2007 1:09 PM


Re: bump for ICANT
sending it up there again

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One_Charred_Wing
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Message 38 of 304 (394193)
04-10-2007 3:03 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by nator
04-04-2007 9:49 AM


Re: Re-ToE
Don't cry to me about sarcasm and snide remarks regarding your entirely willful ignorance if you are also going to criticise others who are far more informed than you are. THAT, my friend, is real arrogance.
You misspelled 'criticize'
Unless you meant 'criticise', which means 'to analyze'...
Edited by One_Charred_Wing, : Had to take out the 'end rant' part for the snide criticism to be effective.

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nator
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Message 39 of 304 (394202)
04-10-2007 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by One_Charred_Wing
04-10-2007 3:03 AM


Re: Re-ToE
Oh, no, I meant "criticize".
And, FYI, I do hope you aren't planning on following me around the board to correct my spelling, as you won't have time for anything else.
Welcome back, Born2.
Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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One_Charred_Wing
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Message 40 of 304 (394269)
04-10-2007 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by nator
04-10-2007 7:47 AM


Re: Re-ToE
Thank you very much, nator. Rest assured, I won't become the self-appointed word police. I did that in a rather successful attempt to cure my temporary insomnia.

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nator
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Message 41 of 304 (394386)
04-10-2007 10:45 PM
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04-10-2007 7:47 AM


another bump for ICANT
bump de bump
do the bump de bump

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nator
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Message 42 of 304 (395792)
04-17-2007 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by nator
04-10-2007 10:45 PM


Re: another bump for ICANT
'nutha BUMP!

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 43 of 304 (395897)
04-18-2007 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by AnswersInGenitals
04-01-2007 9:28 PM


Yes, Virginia, this post is off-topic
AnswersInGenitals:
In the US, there are probably about 20 times as many Clausians as biologists (where a Clausian is a person who accepts the validity of the existence of Santa Claus based on the overwhelming evidence). And yet, the majority of people in the US reject the validity of SC's existence, even though they are familiar with the same evidence, and in many cases were the ones who first exposed the believers to that evidence. I have no idea if this is relevant to your point, or if its just one of those tu quoquequidproquo arguments that MiketheWhiz is so fond of exposing.
All I know is, if the Sun says it, it's so.

Archer
All species are transitional.

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riVeRraT
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Message 44 of 304 (398713)
05-02-2007 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by RAZD
04-03-2007 8:20 PM


Re: Re-ToE
So it's ok to believe in ToE, and creation?

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Message 45 of 304 (398755)
05-02-2007 1:17 PM
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05-02-2007 10:13 AM


Re: Re-ToE
So it's ok to believe in ToE, and creation?
I've never met a creationist that didn't! It's natural history they have the beef with.

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