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kuresu Member (Idle past 2539 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
brilliant man. absolutely confounding.
you come back here as "ignatius". when he gets banned, you start "ethics", claiming to not be "prophex". "ethics" get's banned. you post as MOO (a second time), referring crash to a post by "ethics" by saying "I wrote". why not just use your real account? And why try to hide who you are? foolish.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1266 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
quote: That behaviour is immoral for a variety of reasons. You destroy any self-worth you had. You fulfill a basic animalistic tendency which is not of any worth. Mill calls these type of pleasures that all animals enjoy "lesser pleasures". I elaborate on that by saying they are indeed, lesser because he in fact did not refer to them as lesser in regards to their value. You do not actually love the person that you use. This degrades the value of love. By having a "one-time-fling" solely for immediate gratification and not founded on love you only hurt yourself. You make yourself sick. Someone told me ignorance is not bliss and for the sake of humanity I must believe it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
moo writes: You destroy any self-worth you had. "Self-worth", by definition, is determined by the person himself, not by you.
This degrades the value of love. No more than ice cream degrades the value of food. An occasional one-scoop stand isn't the end of the world.
Someone told me ignorance is not bliss and for the sake of humanity I must believe it. Humanity has gotten by for a while without the support of your beliefs. I expect it will continue to do so. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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anglagard Member (Idle past 863 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
kuresu writes: foolish. Or possibly even amoral. Edited by anglagard, : No reason given.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1266 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
quote: This is not true at all. Granted, it takes a great deal of reasoning to understand this it is no excuse for this peddling of perversion.It is not okay for man to do good and bad. A truly good man has the knowledge, can measure the good and the bad and can never do wrong.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1266 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
If I didn't consider their well-being I would've stopped posting by now.
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5547 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
You destroy any self-worth you had
That`s not ut to you to decide. Every person has to decide by themselves what gives them self worth.
You fulfill a basic animalistic tendency which is not of any worth
Just your opinion. I, for instance, am very proud of being an animal.
Mill calls these type of pleasures that all animals enjoy "lesser pleasures". I elaborate on that by saying they are indeed, lesser because he in fact did not refer to them as lesser in regards to their value.
I couldn`t care less about Mill`s (who the heck is him?) opinion. Besides being an instance of "appeal to authority" fallacy, what you said makes no sense.
You do not actually love the person that you use. This degrades the value of love.
There are many forms of love. Besides, love is stronger then you are implying.
By having a "one-time-fling" solely for immediate gratification and not founded on love you only hurt yourself.
Who are you to decide what`s hurtfull to other people? That`s their prehogative, not yours.
You make yourself sick
Not necessarily.
Someone told me ignorance is not bliss and for the sake of humanity I must believe it.
A completely irrelevant conclusion to your post. (which, by the way, is not entirely surprising...)
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1266 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
Definition from Doing Philosophy.
quote: LOL "appeal to authority" fallacy? Judging that J.S. Mill is an authority on morality having fathered utilitarianism I guess I'm not guilty. Is this a joke? This is a joke. I'm discussing morality with people that are wanton about knowledge. Your immorality will catch up on you. Maybe, if you have time, you can mix the study of human knowledge in with your memorization of fallacies. Especially because you can't reason out the fallacy you incorrectly memorized. Edited by -messenjah of one, : No reason given.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1266 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
I'm sorry fallacy cop I didn't mean to hurt your feelings if you were hurt. My tone in the previous post was a little judgmental. I'm not sure why I became so defensive. Well, you will see the flaw in your memorization.
I think I'm going to stop posting now at this point. Thanks for listening.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
moo writes: A truly good man has the knowledge, can measure the good and the bad and can never do wrong. To "never do wrong", to "measure the good and the bad", a man would have to have perfect knowledge. That is not possible, no matter how "truly good" he might be.
... it takes a great deal of reasoning to understand this it is no excuse for this peddling of perversion. Nobody is talking about "perversion" here - we're talking about one-night stands. If you don't understand the terminology, no amount of "reasoning" will help you. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5547 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
Mill is an authority on morality having fathered utilitarianism I guess I'm not guilty.
Sorry, but I just don`t buy that. Your arguments in these fora must stand on their own. Besides, as I pointed out, what you said made no sense. No external "Authorities" will change that. (May be you just misstyped?) Is that all you could come up with against my previous post?
I'm discussing morality with people that are wanton about knowledge.
Unecessary prsonal attacks. Your debating style isn`t doing much to further your points, in case you haven`t noticed...
Your immorality will catch up on you.
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5547 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
Well, you will see the flaw in your memorization.
I do more then simply memorizing fallacies. I think critically about them. I think if is quite funny that you brought in a second appeal to authority in order to justify the first. But that was really the least important point I made in my post because a statement can still be true even if all that was given to support it was an empty appeal to authority. Why don`t you address some of my other more relevant points?
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
I don't really know anymore writes: The man that has the knowledge cannot do wrong. For the man that has the knowledge of pleasure and pain, good and bad will be able to measure the good and the bad of an action. This man will not succumb to the illusion of immediate gratification because he can measure the good from the bad wholly. So, what you're saying is... as long as one knows what's good from bad, they won't do bad? That doesn't sound very correct. And this "knowledge" that one needs to learn. You seem to be of the stance that everyone learns the same knowledge. I would agree that this is theoretically possible. Yet, in practice, I don't see how it could possibly work with any level of normally functioning society. I mean, yes... if two people have the same knowledge, if they've learnt the same things... then yes, of course they are going to make the same decisions with that knowledge. That seems... trivial. But, that's really the whole point. There are no two people who have the same knowledge. And it's that knowledge that shapes what we think is good and bad in the first place.
There cannot be more than one truth. If a culture believes good of the practice of suttee and another doesn't, it cannot be both right to some and wrong to others. Knowledge lends a discerning eye to man. Relativism destroys tolerance and the meaning thereof. Relativism is bullshit. I agree that knowledge lends a discerning eye to man. But which man's knowledge is better, or true, as you put it? Is it only true when two or more people agree on it? That's the whole problem. Some people's knowledge will tell them something's wrong, another's will tell them something's right. Maybe you're correct, and only 1 of them is true. Yet, how do we tell which one? More knowledge? Who's knowledge says which is correct?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
There are behaviors that my conscience tells me are immoral that I enjoy doing. I try to avoid these behaviors for some of the following reasons:
Sometimes I avoid the behaviors for all three reasons sometimes for just one. If I lost my faith and became atheist, the immoral behaviors that I avoid because of their affects on God alone would have no reason to be avoided anymore. If I became an atheist, I would behave more immorally.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Hi Stile,
I never got a chance to reply to your last message to me in the Athiesm Examined thread. Do you want me to write one and slap it up somewhere or just forget about it?
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