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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
A better analogy would be a nut who claims that the car was magically assembled by elves and runs off of pixy dust (and who will never change her mind) versus an engineer who describes the workings of an internal combustion engine, giving us the exact specs when she examines the car, and correcting some of her earlier estimates.
Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Creationists see the same evidence evolutionists see. We just get something different
you get something different because you ASSume that your mythology is true. Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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b b Member (Idle past 6159 days) Posts: 77 From: baton rouge, La, usa Joined: |
you get something different because you ASSume that what I believe is mythology.
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b b Member (Idle past 6159 days) Posts: 77 From: baton rouge, La, usa Joined: |
A better analogy would be a nut who claims that the car was magically assembled by elves and runs off of pixy dust (and who will never change her mind) versus an engineer who describes the workings of an internal combustion engine, giving us the exact specs when she examines the car, and correcting some of her earlier estimates. correcting early estimates mean the early estimate was wrong. The creator already knew "the workings of an internal combustion engine" and "the exact specs" so no need for wrong estimates. Nobody said magic or pixy dust. Everything you discover he designed. Anything you discover this year; he knew at the beginning of the earth. You're late. To every knew idea to a scientist God says duuuhhh.
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: You are entitled to use your own personal definitions of things, but not to have people accept them. I think your definition of science is terribly inaccurate at best and self-serving at worst.
quote: But Creationism has never been right about anything relating to the natural world. Any sort of test against the natural world we subject Creationism to shows it to be in error. So, if what Creationists say is true about the natural world doesn't actually end up being true about the natural world, then it seems that Creationism is wrong, doesn't it? Creationists stagnate. They unchangeingly continue to believe, despite the evidence right in front of them, they know the "truth", while science actually continues to get righter and righter. Creationism contributes nothing to our understanding of the natural world, even though it claims to have "the truth". It has developed no technology, no medical understanding, no ability to predict any future occurance in nature whatsoever. It is ueselss. The reason it is useless is because it is wrong.
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: OK, then. Show us that it isn't mythology.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: I think my analogy is more apt than yours. -
quote: Well, that is what intelligent people do. Intelligent people recognize that they are wrong when the data show that they are wrong and make corrections. Creationists, on the other hand, insist that they are correct even when the data shows that they are wrong. That seems to me to be the opposite of intelligent. Edited by Chiroptera, : Less confrontational. Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1494 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
To every knew idea to a scientist God says duuuhhh. Well, I like to think that if God exists, he's a little more charitable towards the people who have devoted their lives to uncovering the mystery of his creation. But, if you insist that your God acts like a petulant 10-year-old, I guess I'll have to take your word for it. (We do, after all, create God in our image.) Nonetheless - it's interesting that, despite what you say, the Bible has been the source of absolutely zero scientific knowledge of any kind.
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5548 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
To every knew idea to a scientist God says duuuhhh.
You may be right, if it turns out there is a god. But even if there is a god, you (or any other creationist) do not hold exclusive rights over the word of god on earth. You (or any other creationist) have not given us any reason to believe that what you say and think is any closer to the true nature of god then anybody else (off course you may think you are, but that is assuming too much -- an act of hubris) Given that, we are left with comparing your claims with the evidence (obtained through experiments directly from the world itself -- the only incontestable source of knowlege of god`s nature we have access to -- god`s creation). Once your claims have failed this most important test, to hold on to preconceived beliefs in the face of evidence would be insane and ungodly. That`s why creationism is not only bad science. It`s also bad theology. Edited by fallacycop, : typos
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b b Member (Idle past 6159 days) Posts: 77 From: baton rouge, La, usa Joined: |
OK, then. Show us that it isn't mythology.
I can't show you only God can. Unfortunately the bible says you have to believe in him to see it. If you really want to find out donate 1 year of your life to truly seek him. I bet you would find out. I don't mean going to church either. I mean reading his word and praying to him. It won't hurt. No one would know (until you get blessed and tell everybody you meet like I do). Nothing to lose. you'll be living for a year right.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
If you really want to find out donate 1 year of your life to truly seek him. I bet you would find out. I don't mean going to church either. I mean reading his word and praying to him. It won't hurt. No one would know (until you get blessed and tell everybody you meet like I do). Nothing to lose. you'll be living for a year right.
Of course there is something to lose, by praying to your false god I'd be angering the King of Kings and Lord of Lords Odin the Allfather. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given. Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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b b Member (Idle past 6159 days) Posts: 77 From: baton rouge, La, usa Joined: |
Creationists, on the other hand, insist that they are correct even when the data shows that they are wrong. That seems to me to be the opposite of intelligent. Obviously you don't know the first thing(literally) about what they believe. It's not that they are right. It's that God is right. The scientific method would be to say the eggs were scrambled from the heat of the skillet accompanied by the adjutation from the movement of the spatula. Creationists would say mom made them. But it's really hard to see that "Mom" heated up the skillet and was holding the spatula if you don't believe in a mom.
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4138 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
I can't show you only God can. Unfortunately the bible says you have to believe in him to see it. If you really want to find out donate 1 year of your life to truly seek him. I bet you would find out. I don't mean going to church either. I mean reading his word and praying to him. It won't hurt. No one would know (until you get blessed and tell everybody you meet like I do). Nothing to lose. you'll be living for a year right.
so basicly you give no reason to accept its not mythology. if i have to believe to understand it, then by defintion there goes all want of knowledge of anything
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4138 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
Of course there is something to lose, by praying to your false god I'd be angering the King of Kings and Lord of Lords Odin the Allfather.
Odins a wuss,Tyr's the man! he faced down a giant wolf and let the thing take his hand without flinching!
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b b Member (Idle past 6159 days) Posts: 77 From: baton rouge, La, usa Joined: |
Nonetheless - it's interesting that, despite what you say, the Bible has been the source of absolutely zero scientific knowledge of any kind. well it was written so that people could understand it 2000 years ago also. In an experiment (maybe evolutionists can understand this way), you wouldn't tell the rat the way out. You want it to find it for itself. Life is our experiment. Pass or fail? It's learning the true way out the maze. Edited by b b, : add to.
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