Evolution is not science

Look City on a a Hill, I was around 3 billion years ago, and I can tell you that evolution did indeed happen. I directly observed it first-hand for billions of years.You probably just dismissed my argument that I was around in pre-biotic Earth, but for what reason? You don't know for a fact I wasn't around 3 billion years ago, because by your own admission that is an issue of faith, not fact. However, there is evidence that eon long life spans are not possible, so you probably drew the conclusion that there is no way I could have lived that long. So, you just made a factual conclusion about the past - that I wasn't there. So clearly, science isn't limited to facts about the present.

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A bit of an aside, but it demonstrates this point well, is a skit of the same theme written by a fellow member of EvoWiki. http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/a_parable.htm

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A Parable
by Michael E. Suttkus, II

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Once upon a time....

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Two cops, Henry and Phillip, are called to a house on Evidence Street. A neighbor has called and reported a break in. Arriving at the house, they find that the front door has been knocked off of it's hinges and a man wearing a ski mask and holding a bag of jewellery and a bloody knife is leaving.

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"Excuse me, sir," says Henry. "A break in has been reported at this residence. We're here to investigate."

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The masked man glances around. "Looks fine to me, but I've really got to get going..."

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"Sorry, sir, but we've really got to investigate," says Phillip.

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The two cops and the masked man walk up to the front door. It is hanging by only the bottom hinge and the deadbolt has clearly been forced out of the doorframe.

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"Sir," says Henry, "Can you explain why your door appears to have been forced in if there hasn't been a break in?"

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"Well," says the masked man, "When I bought this house, they explained to me that the builder was a little worried that if the house looked too new, people would be afraid to live in it, being afraid to damage it. So, he built in an appearance of age, of a history that never happened, damaging it before hand."

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Meanwhile, Phillip has stepped inside. He notices what looks like signs of a struggle. He asks, "Sir, can you explain why your sofa is on it's back?"

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"It was that way when we moved in, our interior decorator put it there."

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"On it's back?"

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"Yes. He was a great designer, the best ever."

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"Why would he place it like that? Isn't it hard to sit on?"

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"A little, but intelligent placement doesn't mean optimal placement. I can still sit here." He demonstrates this by sitting on the front of the couch. "See? It works."

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Henry, meanwhile, had walked through the living room and into the bedrooms. From there, he called, "Hey, there appear to be two dead bodies in here." Phillip and the masked man go to see. Indeed, two dead bodies, both with obvious knife wounds.

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"Well," asks Henry, "How can you explain this?"

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"Well," says, the masked man, "Obviously the two bodies can't have just formed from the floor boards, right? That is obviously impossible. They are too complicated for that. They must have been created here by a magical fairy that poofed in here, created two dead bodies magically, and then vanished, leaving no trace of his presence."

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Phillip and Henry walk out of the house. "Well," asks Phillip, "What did you think?"

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"Hmm, well, appearance of age, a history that seems to have happened, but didn't, obviously inferior design attributed to great intelligence, refutations of a straw man argument nobody made and a false dichotomy, followed by dependence on unevidenced supernatural events to fill in any gaps, it all leads to only one conclusion."

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"Quite right," says Phillip. He calls dispatch. "Nobody was here to see what happened. We're going back on patrol."

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And the moral of this story is, if you commit a crime, pray you get creationist cops.

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Yes. See my post here.Edited by Doddy, : link

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If the scientists are doing their job right, they should be questioning evolution every day.

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That's true. But nobody says that legs appeared in a single random mutation.A mutation to the Homeobox (HOX) genes (spefically ones like Ubx) can cause legs to appear on a legged animal. These genes are like 'switches', and so can turn on the leg genes in the wrong spot if mutated. This is the sort of mutation that causes legs to appear instead of wings in chickens and extra toes to appear on humans).However, there is no fundamental reason why a mutation to such a gene couldn't cause a rib or an antenna to grow by accidentally turning on one copy of an antenna gene, and then that gene was mutated in further generations to form a rudimentary limb.Anyway, this is getting off-topic. If you want, you can start another thread on this issue.Edited by Doddy, : I digress

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As Nuggin asked, what the heck is 'net information'? And I may ask, what reason or evidence do you have to think that the 3-5 billion base pair human genome has the same 'net information' as E. Coli's 4.6 million base pair genome?

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Actually, there's five. 5-mC (5-methylcytosine). Well, that's for the epigenome anyway.Not all inheritance is via genes in humans. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EpigeneticsActually, you pretty much always can. Not only are there such things as silent mutations (for example, changing a codon from CCT to CCA doesn't affect the protein encoded), but also conservative ones (CCA to CGT produces a similar protein). Plus, most of the genome doesn't actually code for proteins anyway.If an animal had such a fragile genetic code, it would die very soon. Thus, only the animals with resistant genetic codes survive today.To put this in your sort of argument, God made the genetic code very resistant to lethal mutations, so that his creation didn't die after one day in the sun.

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Ah, I see. So the reason it doesn't make any sense to me is because it is based upon a senseless premise. Garbage in, garbage out.

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