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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: If you so choose, yes. I don't have TV in my life, by choice. We have a TV in the house, because we love movies, but that's all we use it for. I do watch a few TV shows, but I get them in DVD form, without any ads. We got rid of TV because we tended to waste a lot of time flipping around the channels becasue there was nothing good on. The point is, nobody is forcing you to have a TV. Nobody is forcing you to turn it on. Nobody is forcing you to watch prime-time programming with your children. You choose to do all of those things.
quote: Why not? It was my answer, and Brenna's answer, and NosyNed's answer.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: If that game was broadcast during prime time, and the game was something that adults would watch, then you had plenty of warning that ads for shows that have prime-time-allowable content might be shown. And I'll bet that there were beer commercials showing just as much women's skin during the game. And I'll also bet that they showed the cheerleaders in their skimpy outfits at least once during the game too. So, was the game really G-rated, as you say? Or was it something closer to PG-13?
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I don't have TV in my life, by choice. We have a TV in the house, because we love movies, but that's all we use it for. quote: Well, maybe you actually like TV. Neither Zhimbo nor I care about sports the way that you seem to, so I can understand someone who likes to watch sporting events wanting access to ESPN and the like. BUT, if it is broadcast during prime time, then you tak your chances that prime-time-rated stuff will be shown. The point is that when we realized that we didn't like most of the content that was available on TV, our reaction was very different from yours. Your reaction was to censor what is broadcast to match Riverrat's sensibilities. Our reaction was to not have it come into our house in the first place, because we have the choice to do that.
Why not? It was my answer, and Brenna's answer, and NosyNed's answer. quote: It is only a part of your life if you choose it to be. You can also choose to not have it be part of your life. Nobody has a gun to your head to force you to pay for or watch TV.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: That's wonderful. But then you go on to say:
quote: You want to criminalize bad manners now? Welcome to Riverrat's dictatorship, where you can be thrown into prison for being rude!
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
And I'll bet that there were beer commercials showing just as much women's skin during the game. quote: Beer commercials are notorious for lots of really blatant sexual innuendo, rat. The implication of the ads are, basically, if you drink our beer, hot women will think you are cool and want to screw you. In other words, many beer ads have just as much sexual innuendo as that desperate Housewives commercial. You know this. Therefore, for you to pretend that that beer ads broadcast during sports programming depict women in bathingsuits similar to how they are depicted on children's shows is dishonest. And what about the cheerleaders?
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I know why, rat. M O N E Y I mean, how much Masterpiece Theater do you and your kids watch? Probably about as much as the rest of the population. If Masterpiece Theater was as popular as Desperate Housewives, that's what we would see much more of.
quote: Jesus, rat, are you really incapable of seeing the difference between what your job requirements are for being polite and innoffensive to others and criminal behavior?
quote: No, they really aren't different things WRT the First Ammendment.
quote: Well, you didn't mention them as being offensive, even though they are probably just as raunchy as a Desperate Housewives commercial. And, again, what about the cheerleaders? And, just to reiterate: TV is only a part of your life if you choose it to be. You can also choose to not have it be part of your life. Nobody has a gun to your head to force you to pay for or watch TV. Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Jesus, rat, are you really incapable of seeing the difference between what your job requirements are for being polite and innoffensive to others and criminal behavior? quote: So, if I am rude to a customer at work on purpose, the police should have the authority to cart me off and charge me with...what crime?
And, again, what about the cheerleaders? [quuote]What about cheerleaders?Male or female?[/quote] You didn't mention the cheerleaders as being objectionable for your kids to see, even though they probably were appearing as sexual as the people in the Desperate Housevives commercial.
TV is only a part of your life if you choose it to be. quote: Unresponsive, though correct. The point is, rat, that if you don't like what's on TV, turn it off.
You can also choose to not have it be part of your life. Nobody has a gun to your head to force you to pay for or watch TV. quote: That has everything to do with it. It is the main point that everybody else for nearly 200 posts has been making.
quote: TV is not a part of MY life at all, by my CHOICE. If you CHOOSE it to be very much a part of YOUR life and you CHOOSE to expose YOUR children to it, then it is up to YOU to decide what YOUR children watch on the TV that YOU CHOSE to allow in YOUR home.
quote: You keep saying that as if you haven't been told that you are wrong. It did for me. And Brenna. And NosyNed. And my friend Leon. And several of my coworkers. And several of my husband's coworkers. And also for many other people.
quote: Yeah, but you don't have to have it in your home if you don't want it to be. YOU have to CHOOSE to have it in YOUR home.
quote: Um, I also have a computer. For information, a computer is far, far superior to any TV or radio.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I love this so much.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
So, if I am rude to a customer at work on purpose, the police should have the authority to cart me off and charge me with...what crime? quote: I know. That's why I used the word "should" in the above sentence, which I have bolded for you.
quote: OK, then. How about answering the question: So, if I am rude to a customer at work on purpose, the police should have the authority to cart me off and charge me with...what crime? What law would you pass that would make it illegal for me to be intentionally rude to a customer?
The point is, rat, that if you don't like what's on TV, turn it off. quote: That's a change from what you have also been saying. You have also been saying that content should be censored to meet your personal standards.
quote: You think it should be illegal for people to offend others on purpose. That is exactly the kind of speech that the first ammendment protects. Therefore, you are interested in infringing upon everyone's rights.
TV is not a part of MY life at all, by my CHOICE. quote: No. It's their choice. Because I do not have TV reception in the house and purchase or rent the TV I want to watch on DVD, I am having an impact upon the future of TV.
If you CHOOSE it to be very much a part of YOUR life and you CHOOSE to expose YOUR children to it, then it is up to YOU to decide what YOUR children watch on the TV that YOU CHOSE to allow in YOUR home. quote: Then write the network.
Um, I also have a computer. For information, a computer is far, far superior to any TV or radio. quote: I can set up my computer to send me alerts for weather, local news and other events. I can also listen to the radio on my computer. A radio is good, too, but the TV? Not needed for emergency information. Besides, I have my computer on 24/7. I hope that's not true of your TV.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
What law would you pass that would make it illegal for me to be intentionally rude to a customer? quote: Really? Can you explain the legal definition of "harrassment" and how my being intentionally rude to a customer qualifies as breaking laws against harassment?
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
No, you didn't offend me.
I just love the phrase "your an idiot" when it is written in precisely that way because it is so wonderfully, deliciously ironic. -------------------------------------- Rat, the words, "your" and "you're" have different meanings. "You're" is a contraction of "you are", as in "You're an idiot". "Your" is a posessive form of "you", like in "Your use of "your" instead of "you're" in the above sentence is ironic." Here's the trick I use to help me remember which one to use: If you are unsure, substitute "you are" in any sentence. If it fits, then you should use "you're".
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yeah. You called him an idiot. While you were doing that, you made an extremely basic error in punctuation that we all should have learned in the fourth grade. Thus the ironical funny. Look, I'm not saying that my spelling or grammar or punctuation is always perfect; far from it, in fact. However, I do care about it, because it is the way we communicate here, and I care about being understood, and I care about the impression I make on others. Using words and grammar and punctuation incorrectly at best makes it more difficult to understand what you are trying to communicate, and at worst it conveys sloppiness, carelessness, a poor education, and even a less-than-great level of intelligence (even if the person graduated from Harvard with honors). It is sort of like a lawyer showing up in court in torn jeans, a stained teeshirt, her hair a rat's nest and last night's makeup on her face and booze on her breath. Even if she is, in reality, well-prepared and capable, would her appearance inspire you to come to that conclusion?
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Hahaha.
That was pretty funny.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yes, it is difficult to manage all that. But you chose this life, with all these kids, didn't you? You also chose to have a TV in your home, didn't you? If you don't like what is on TV, but are too harried and busy to have time to "watch them every second they are watching TV", then maybe you should get rid of that unneccessary luxury item. It's all a matter of priorities, wouldn't you agree? (Or, perhaps you should just finally admit that you don't want to get rid of TV because YOU like having it and you don't want to give it up even if your kids see things on it you don't want them do.) Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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