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Author Topic:   Should the Public Airwaves be More or Less Censored?
riVeRraT
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Message 137 of 310 (394414)
04-11-2007 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Dan Carroll
04-10-2007 7:31 PM


Re: No to Censorship
Every time you say it's illegal to offend someone, it becomes entirely called-for to offend you, just so you can see how legal it is.
I am not the only one who has said it, you should be harrassing the FCC as well.
The only reason you've given so far is that you don't want your children to see the TV shows you choose to bring into your home.
That is not what I said at all.
And yet, in... wow, 133 posts now, you have still failed to answer a simple question about the validity of the FCC's ability to censor content,
It's not the topic Dan, read the topic.
Oh. So your reason is that speech should only be free if nobody can hear it.
I have not said that either.
If your going to attack me, at least be truthful
See above. Already answered. The man with a bulllhorn is infringing on others without their permission. They didn't bring him into their home, and ask him to scream.
Oh. So your reason is that speech should only be free if nobody can hear it.
You go ahead and make decisions for your children, and I'll handle mine.
If you are indeed handling them, then that is fine.
Be as concerned as you please. But if they're not your kids, it's not your decision.
I guess we can get rid of child services now too.

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riVeRraT
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From: NY USA
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Message 141 of 310 (394467)
04-11-2007 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Dan Carroll
04-11-2007 10:28 AM


Re: No to Censorship
FCC? You're a bunch of pricks.
Damn, it's been days now. By the logic you've used in this thread, I should have been issued a stiff fine by the FCC, been locked up by the secret service, and have a restraining order on me that prevents me from responding to your posts.
Of course, I don't, because you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
Keep thinking that way Dan, and btw, stop making everything I say into a black and white issue, because it is not.
Oh, and yes, I do have a fucking clue what I am talking about.
Take a look at this sticky post in another forum.
Do not make threats against the President of the US - RC Groups
You may be able to freely offend people, but there is a line alwys that can be drawn. Like I said, it dosn't give you the right to do it.
If we were so free to offend people whenever and however we want, then all these other rules that stem from offending people, wouldn't be in place.
I would also say that 80-100% of all pIn the case of the bullhorn, he's not leaving anyone that choice.[/qs]
Bullshit, you can always go buy yourself some noise cancelling headphones. IT's my right to freedom of speech, and it doesn't matter what means I use to get my speech out there, and it doesn't matter what time.
Why have all these stipulations all of sudden? What makes your stipulations any better or worse than mine?
I think we have a new hypocrite in town.
An ad for Desperate Houswives is comparable to child abuse! There go those leaps again
No leap there, and I did not say that, just you missing the point again, what a fucking joke, what are you selectively smart?
Go read it again, until you figure out exactly what I meant.
Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 142 of 310 (394469)
04-11-2007 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by ringo
04-11-2007 11:21 AM


Re: No to Censorship
I'd rather have them filling their minds where I can be with them and explain things to them if necessary and comfort them if necessary.
Yes Ringo, I have agreed to that line of thought already in this thread. And I must thank you for your rational behaivor in this thread.
But what about the time your not with your kids, and they happen to catch something?
What about when they are in school?
What about the children that aren't being supervised?
That is what I meant about child services. We obviously have those to protect our children, because htere are parents out there who are not doing their job, and then someday we have to pay for it, when we have a run-in with one of these people.
Yes, I know it's your right to be an idiot(not you), but is it fair to a child if theyt aren't getting the supervision they need?
TV is a part of life. Turning it off, or being able to turn it off is not the answer.

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 143 of 310 (394470)
04-11-2007 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by macaroniandcheese
04-11-2007 11:27 AM


Re: No to Censorship
as to being relative, you were inferring that i should agree with you that offensive is relative by age. it isn't. offensive is relative to being raised to be offended by things.
Ok yes, I completely agree with that, but age is a factor, as you see more things, then more things become less offensive to you. Or even the opposite could happen.
like goldfish was referring to the fact that children, like goldfish, forget things very easily.
Oh, ok, I missed that one. But my point is stilla good reply, because as I pointed out in my own life, it was those traumatic events that I remember more than any other thing.
the fcc is the body that censors the airwaves. therefore a discussion of whether the airwaves should be more or less censored involves a discussion of why the fcc claims the right to censor in the first place. logic, nutjob.
WEll I don't see it as that way. I think that is a totally different topic. That is why I feel I do not have to justify what is already in place, and allowed by the people of the USA.
If you were that concerned about it, you and Dan could start a revolution or something.

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 148 of 310 (394501)
04-11-2007 7:52 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by Dan Carroll
04-11-2007 5:11 PM


Re: No to Censorship
What on Earth does making threats against the President's life have to do with offending someone?
No, the post doesn't say threats against his life, it only says threats, and pointless offending the president could be consider threatening.
I know, I have seen it first hand, so yes I have a fucking clue.
Laws against threatening the President don't stem from offending people. They relate to conspiracy to commmit treason against the United States.
That is only one example.
Look, I am done with you.
If you can't get what I am saying, and have been saying all along, and that is, I find it wrong to have a R rated commercial during a G rated basketball game, then there is nothing more to say.
It is beyond me how you could possibly find that unreasonable.
They should have a law against being irrational.

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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 150 of 310 (394503)
04-11-2007 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by ringo
04-11-2007 6:24 PM


Re: No to Censorship
I don't think my children should be deprived of a source of information just because somebody else isn't making proper use of it.
You don't see a difference in "information" and things that could possibly hurt your childrens minds?

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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 151 of 310 (394505)
04-11-2007 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by One_Charred_Wing
04-11-2007 7:03 PM


Re: When you're in a hole...
Don't dig. You'd be to China by now. You're a good guy, and write some excellent posts in the Faith and Belief forum from time to time, but you're making a fool of yourself here.
Well thanks for looking out.
1.Explain WHAT GIVES THE FCC (or anybody) THE RIGHT TO CENSOR PUBLIC AIRWAVES FOR CONTENT?
I can't, officially, I would only be guessing. And frankly I don't have the time to research it. But I don't really care, because it seems fair enough to me, the whole ratings system, and what the FCC does. It is more fair than unfair, and it is way to complicated to be left to the average American to decided what should, and should not go on the airwaves.
I'm not the one with the problem against the FCC, even though they have pissed me off more than once. I'll live with it, for the benifits.
2.Please don't claim that an ad for a show glorifying adultery is as damaging to a child as physically abusing said child, unless you have some professional evidence to support this claim.
Is scientific evidence really necessary?
But thats not even the point. The point is that it didn't match the ratings of the show I was watching, and things like this seem to happen way to often.
3.People have the right to say what they want on a public forum. It's not harrassment if you keep replying to them, and even if you don't, nobody's forcing you to come on here and debate.
Maybe, maybe not. I have already seen examples on ebay that don't follow that line of thinking.
4.Big Brother is not as strict as some people think. The Patriot Act's bad, but fortunately the government doesn't have THAT much power right now.
Or do they even care.
Yes, Bush is a tool.

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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 153 of 310 (394507)
04-11-2007 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by nator
04-11-2007 7:53 PM


Re: No to Censorship
I don't have TV in my life, by choice. We have a TV in the house, because we love movies, but that's all we use it for.
I actually admire that. I think about doing that often, but it never seems to happen.
Why not?
It was my answer, and Brenna's answer, and NosyNed's answer.
Well, it's just part of life. It's like anything else.

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 154 of 310 (394509)
04-11-2007 8:06 PM


Apology
I just want to apologize to anyone who thinks that I want to restrain peoples right to free speech, that's not my intention.
Freedom of speech has it's purpose, and just maybe that purpose is greater than regulating TV. But I am not happy with what I see on Tv sometimes. That doesn't mean that TV shouldn't have every kind of programing, only that it should be structered correctly.
And I still don't think that you should have a right to offend people, ON PURPOSE. If your speech should offend, then that is a different story. It's about intention.

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 155 of 310 (394510)
04-11-2007 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by nator
04-11-2007 8:02 PM


Re: No to Censorship
And I'll bet that there were beer commercials showing just as much women's skin during the game.
Childrens shows have women in bathing suits, I find nothing wrong with that.
So, was the game really G-rated, as you say? Or was it something closer to PG-13?
Not sure exactly. It may even be unrated. But that's only one example.

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 161 of 310 (394561)
04-12-2007 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by tudwell
04-11-2007 8:28 PM


Re: Apology
Rat, I think you'd do better to complain to the network you believe is showing inappropriate commercials than to turn (or seem to turn) the issue into one of free speech.
I don't think I was the one who equivicated it to freedom of speech.
How do you tell when someone inentionally offends another?
Well in the case of this thread, Dan admits it.
I am sure there are many more ways of being able to tell.
I mean if your running a commercial for a 2 hour long movie, and you decide to air the worst part of it, isn't it obvious you are trying to shock people, and possibly offend them?
I am not sure how that would all work, and maybe just by the honor system alone it could stop many things that are just unnecessary.

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riVeRraT
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Message 162 of 310 (394563)
04-12-2007 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by ringo
04-11-2007 9:54 PM


Re: No to Censorship
If you shield them from life, it will only make them more curious to see what you don't want them to see. There's more danger in that than in letting them make their own choices.
Well just for clarity, I do not intend to "sheild" children from life, but make life relative to their age.
I mean if we can start showing pornos to a 5 year old, we might as well hand them the keys to the car, and say "have a fun time at the bar".
(grossly exaggerated to show a point)

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
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Message 177 of 310 (394806)
04-13-2007 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by ringo
04-12-2007 11:03 AM


Re: No to Censorship
A five-year-old driving a car is a poor analogy. He presents a danger to society at large - a five-year-old watching pornography does not.
Are you 100% sure about that statement?

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riVeRraT
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Message 178 of 310 (394808)
04-13-2007 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 167 by nator
04-12-2007 1:48 PM


Re: No to Censorship
BUT, if it is broadcast during prime time, then you tak your chances that prime-time-rated stuff will be shown.
I guess you haven't been reading, but I stated that it happened on a Sunday afternoon. If it was prime time, then I guess I wouldn't have a problem, but I still think the rating of the commercial should match the rating of the program, and yes, commercials do have ratings.
Your reaction was to censor what is broadcast to match Riverrat's sensibilities.
No, just be fair. TV has changed much over the years, and it keeps inching in a direction that IMO is not favorable to children. I would love to know the justification, besides freedom of speech.
It is obvious that offending people is not a good thing, just look at what Don Imus is going through right now.(and he deserves it)
You want to criminalize bad manners now?
It is really not that far fetched of an idea, as most private institutions will punish you for offending people.
Bad mannors and offending people on purpose are two different things, I don't know why you would describe it that way.
You know this. Therefore, for you to pretend that that beer ads broadcast during sports programming depict women in bathingsuits similar to how they are depicted on children's shows is dishonest.
When did I ever say I support the beer commercials?

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 181 of 310 (396015)
04-18-2007 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by nator
04-13-2007 9:32 PM


Re: No to Censorship
Jesus, rat, are you really incapable of seeing the difference between what your job requirements are for being polite and innoffensive to others and criminal behavior?
Yes, I am incapable.
And, again, what about the cheerleaders?
What about cheerleaders?
Male or female?
TV is only a part of your life if you choose it to be.
Living in America is only part of my life if I choose it to be.
You can also choose to not have it be part of your life.
Nobody has a gun to your head to force you to pay for or watch TV.
IMO, that has nothing to do with it.
TV is very much a part of life. That will never change. Also, since so many people do watch, and let what they see dictated how and why they think about things, you should be concerned. They even have TV's on line in the store now, and while they may not be doing anything more than marketing to you, it just shows how intergrated we are with the concept of TV.
If there was an emergency, you would turn on the TV, or radio to see what is going on, so it is very much a neccessity.
It would be so cool, if during a tornado warning, they could show a blow job or two, don't ya think? Sort of pass the time away better, I mean wtf, we are going to die anyway.

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