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MartinV 
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Message 121 of 309 (387270)
02-27-2007 1:52 PM


Shame on Pharyngula forum.
I have been banned on Pharyngula forum by great darwinian "scientist" EZ Myers. He used there old darwinistic tactic (from ATBC - they even recommended him to do so) - he hold me for John Davison's sockpuppet. Again. These illiterate darwinistic atheists have never heard about directed evolution, orthogenesis etc. So they consider all proponets of the idea to be John Davison himself. They are even unable (no wonder, they are just darwinistic simpletons) to check my IP adress. They do not realize that it is from Europe. They are unable to chcek from IP its location.
So no wonder we have to deal with darwinistic simpletons par excellence who use only coarse abuses and ban their oponents. That's all they know.
Shame on "Pharyngula" darwinists.
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Message 122 of 309 (387271)
02-27-2007 2:02 PM
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Shame on MartinV
I followed your link. I read your comments. You deserved to be banned.
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Message 123 of 309 (387272)
02-27-2007 2:04 PM
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02-27-2007 1:52 PM


Re: Shame on Pharyngula forum.
Well, comment #133 on that link does have a good point. On the Eocene mammal thread you wrote in very good English. Now you are suddenly writing in a very fake sounding East European accent.
What gives?
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MartinV 
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Message 124 of 309 (387303)
02-27-2007 5:48 PM
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Re: Shame on Pharyngula forum.
The point is not my English. The point is my opinions. They used my grasp of English only as pretext how to get me banned. Just look how they went into details what English I used. Yet some of them compared my posts and John's posts on Brainstorm and ATBC. They compared time etc... Some people there evidently suffer from paranoia. Might be they need that Pharyngula darwinistic thread only for themselves. Some kind of psycho-therapy for neodarwinism-obsessed, you know. They do not like to be disturbed while they are climbing mount of Dawkin's nonsenses improbable.
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Message 125 of 309 (387304)
02-27-2007 5:51 PM
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Re: Shame on MartinV
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I followed your link. I read your comments. You deserved to be banned.
Did I break any rule? Which one?
Is it forbidden to criticise darwinism on "Pharyngula"?
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Message 126 of 309 (387305)
02-27-2007 5:55 PM
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02-27-2007 5:51 PM


Re: Shame on MartinV
No, it's against the rules to be an abusive twit. And that is exactly what you were doing.
It's not your opinions it's your behaviour.
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Message 127 of 309 (387314)
02-27-2007 7:33 PM
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Re: Shame on Pharyngula forum.
I'm just asking why you turn your East European accent on and off. You have proven that you can write in near perfect English. Why the sudden "Davison? I know not thees Davison" schtik?
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MartinV 
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Message 128 of 309 (387336)
02-28-2007 1:05 AM
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02-27-2007 7:33 PM


Re: Shame on Pharyngula forum.
English is not easy for me. I do not use it in my everyday life. So I must focus on it in order to use more correctly its structures. If I don't concentrate I just transalate my thoughts like Babelfish, you know.
Yesterday I posted there following post that was completely deleted subsequently. But as far as I can block Pharyngula cookies on my PC I don't see possibility how they can block me to re-post it whenever I like. Of course they can block arriving posts from IP of my inet-provider. But there are lot of available proxies nowadays.
quote:
I was banned under pretext to be John Davison. This pretext is very funny because owner of this blog should be able at least to check my IP address and find out the location of my provider. This is very simple and every student at high school know how to do it. Owner of this blog should know that my provider is in Slovakia and consequently I am not professor John Davison from Vermont in USA.
If the owner of this blog doesn't like my antidarwinistic opinions he should write it directly. He shouldn't use the same lies like morons on ATBC forum who banned me under the pretext that I am professor John Davison. I am not John Davison, that's the lie.
If the owner of this blog doen't like my antidarwinistic posts here he should express it clearly and ban me without using childish pretext.
But in that case owner of this blog shouldn't call himself "liberal". Such proceedings like here have nothing common with liberal approach at all.
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Message 129 of 309 (387340)
02-28-2007 3:53 AM
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02-28-2007 1:05 AM


Re: Shame on Pharyngula forum.
MartinV
It is unfortunate you didn't co-operate a little when I tried to get your ban lifted at AtBC. You may have thus avoided being banned at Pharyngula. Your behaviour and attitude expressed in your posts does not lead people to believe that you are interested in a serious exchange of views, but rather playing the victim, as illustrated by your comments on John's thread at ISCID
On the (very) narrow point that you were unjustly banned for being John's sock puppet, I do, however agree with you.
PS, circumventing a ban by using multiple IP addresses is in itself grounds for being banned.
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Message 130 of 309 (388289)
03-05-2007 2:02 PM
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03-20-2006 10:08 PM


quote:
The neo-Darwinistic account is one of gradual change. The arguments about irreducible complexity arise because gradual change does not plausibly lead to very complex structures. The biology shows how complex structures can arise, but the gradualism of the neo-Darwinist model seems to argue against it.
Not so. First of all, the IC concept is flawed because it is based on taking away parts from already functioning systems, and making inferences about how it came about from that. This is backwards (and even Behe recognizes it, but has yet to fix the error). Secondly, there are several mechanisms by which IC systems can be generated via Darwinian means. One example is gene duplication and subfunctionalization. Another example is promiscuous protein functions, i.e., additional functions a protein may have that are not tied to the primary function (and scaffold) structure of the protein. Mutations can occur to these without detrimental effects because the primary function of the protein isn't affected. Consider an IC hormone/receptor relationship. Traditional IC theory considers this irreducibly complex because one cannot evolve without simultaneous change in the other. Of course, if the functionality in both hormone and receptor proteins start out as promiscuous functions of other proteins, they can coevolve without any detrimental effects of mutations to either, since the primary functions of both original proteins isn't affected. Eventually, gene duplication and specialization could result in two unique proteins with a tight relationship that would appear to be 'unevolvable'.
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Message 131 of 309 (388323)
03-05-2007 4:30 PM
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Hi Allopatrik,
NWR no longer frequents this site so you are unlikely to get any response from him anytime soon.
TTFN,
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Message 132 of 309 (388470)
03-06-2007 7:04 AM
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Well, maybe we can get a rise from somebody else then Surely there's more than one "IC is the death of evolution" advocate around here.
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MartinV 
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Message 133 of 309 (394644)
04-12-2007 3:53 PM


Audio-Interview with John Davison
Audio interview with evolutionist and strong critic of darwinism professor John Davison is available on:
Interview with John A. Davison : Jason Rennie : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
with a direct link to the mp3 file at
http://www.archive.org/...Interview/JohnDavisonInterview.mp3

  
MartinV 
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Message 134 of 309 (394848)
04-13-2007 3:00 PM


Why are they so afraid of orthogenesis theory?
I wouldn't believe it but it happens to me either. After Doctor Myers publicised an article on Pharyngula where he criticised with coarse abuses Davison and me (both of us are banned there, we cannot response and defend ourselves there) Doctor Myers somehow managed to shield his pharygula even from browsing. I don't know what dirty tricks he used - I deleted and forbade cookies from scienceblog and even using proxy doesn't help.
Anyway thanks Quetzal and other contributors who confirmed that I am not Davison and banning me under this pretext is false fabrication.
Why are darwinists so afraid of theory of orthogenesis (Eimer) or Nomogenesis (Berg) that they have more sympathy to protestant fundamentalist as to those proponents of theories of governed evolution?
You can see I haven't abused anybody here as well as there. That's psychological puzzle for me. Btw. many years ago Broom was treated same way as Davison now by both parties.
But professor Davison critized in above mentioned radio-interview Pharyngula and people can convince themselves where the true is now.
Maybe this is reason why Doctor Myers is so anger.
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Message 135 of 309 (394867)
04-13-2007 7:28 PM
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04-13-2007 3:00 PM


Re: Why are they so afraid of orthogenesis theory?
Why are darwinists so afraid of theory of orthogenesis (Eimer) or Nomogenesis (Berg) that they have more sympathy to protestant fundamentalist as to those proponents of theories of governed evolution?
The reason it appears to you that "darwinists" have attitudes consistent with your self-important fantasies is that you make up their attitudes in your head.

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