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Dr Adequate
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Message 1 of 76 (394937)
04-14-2007 12:59 AM

* What Creationists Believe

Creationists believe that the universe was created thousands and thousands of years ago by a dog. This is where the word "dogma" comes from.

The idea of the universe made by a dog is so ridiculous that it is incredible that anyone would believe it. How could a dog make a universe with its little bitty paws?

As we shall show in the rest of this article, the idea that the Earth is "thousands and thousands" of years old is equally fantastic. It is in fact much, much younger.

* Soft Tissues In Dinosaur Bones

Dinosaur bones have been found with preserved soft tissue. How could this have been preserved for the Creationists' "thousands and thousands of years" after the Flood?

* Comets

Short orbit comets disintegrate after about 50 or 60 orbits about the sun. Creationist Richard Milton admits:

"Russian astronomer Professor S. K. Vsekhsviatsky, Director of the Kiev Observatory, has studied periodic comets extensively and written two standard works on the subject. He has come to the conclusion that they are losing their luminosity and the matter which constitutes them at such rapid rate that a comet will disintegrate completely within 50 to 60 revolutions of the solar system." (Richard Milton, The Facts of Life)

And Encke's comet has an orbital period of only 3.3 years (source: Encylopaedia Britannica. Using these figures, we can see that the Universe can't possibly be more than about 200 years old.

* "Thousands And Thousands Of Years" Is Unfalsifiable

One of the criteria for a theory to be scientific is that is must be "falsifiable". The "thousands and thousands of years" theory is unfalsifiable. I just thought I'd mention this before getting back to producing my proof that it's false. No, I have never been troubled by cognitive dissonance.

* Population Growth

Evolutionists and Creationists alike have a problem with population growth. As Darwin himself admitted:

The elephant is reckoned the slowest breeder of all known animals, and I have taken some pains to estimate its probable minimum rate of natural increase; it will be safest to assume that it begins breeding when thirty years old, and goes on breeding till ninety years old, bringing forth six young in the interval, and surviving till one hundred years old; if this be so, after a period of from 740 to 750 years there would be nearly nineteen million elephants alive descended from the first pair. (Charles Darwin, The Origin Of Species

At that rate, if the Creationists figure of 4000 years after the Flood was correct, we can calculate that there would be about 2 x 1051 elephants now living. That's two thousand billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion elephants.

* Changes In Sea Level

In the Bay of Fundy, the sea level has been measured to fall at a rate of six to eight feet per hour. Extrapolating this back in time, we can see that even the tallest mountain in the world would have been completely submerged about 200 days ago. No animal life can have existed before that time, as the Creationists claim.

* No New Sorts Of Animals

Creationists such as Ken Ham claim that in the "thousands and thousands of years" after the "Flood", species diversified within the "kinds", one original pair of the "cat kind" giving rise to all the species of the cat family.

But no-one has ever seen a lion turning into a leopard, or a housecat giving birth to a lynx. One sort of animal cannot come from another. The definition of the word "sort" is left as an exercise for the reader.

* No Intermediate Forms

Moreover, creationists admit that they are unable to find and intermediate forms of the supposed transitional animals. As one Creationist admits: "The links just do not exist and have never existed." *

* Dinosaurs Are Still Roaming The Earth

According to Creationists, Dinosaurs were wiped out by the flood "thousands and thousands of years ago". But there are still dinosaurs alive today! Creationist Kent Hovind has admitted that he's seen a pterodactyl with his own eyes.

* Anatoly Formenko's Unclaimed Prize

The mathematician Anatoly Fomenko has offered a prize of $10,000 for anyone who can prove that there was any human civilization before the eleventh century. If Creationists are so certain of there "thousands and thousands of years", why don't they collect his prize?

* Gaps In The Theory

Creationists like to tell stories about people who supposedly lived "thousands and thousands of years" ago, such as "Augustus Caesar", but they can't even say what he liked for breakfast or what his favorite color was. How can we trust a theory with so many obvious gaps in it?

* No Evidence

Even evolutionists are forced to admit that there's no evidence for the "thousands and thousands of years". The evolutionists philosopher Bertrand Russell admitted in his book "Analysis of Mind" (1921) that there was no evidence that the world wasn't created five minutes ago.

"Nothing that is happening now or will happen in the future can disprove the hypothesis that the world began five minutes ago" - Bertrand Russell, The Analysis Of Mind

When even evolutionists are forced to admit that there's no evidence for the so-called "past", it seems strange that Young Earth Creationists cling on to their fairy-stories about "thousands and thousands of years".

* Repeatable Observations

Science is based on repeatable observations. But no-one has been able to repeat a time earlier than last Thursday, so it's unscientific to believe that it happened. Creationists say that it happened, but this is just dogmatic blind faith, because they didn't go there in a time machine.

* Creationists Admit The Earth Is Young

Many dogmatic believers in "thousands and thousands of years" have admitted that the Earth isn't thousands and thousands of years old. Do not think about that statement. Just don't. Top Creationists like Duane Gish have admitted that the Earth is young. "Thousands and thousands of years" is not young.

To see many examples of Creationists admitting that the Earth is young, consult my book In Their Own Words: Quote-Mining For Pleasure And Profit.

* Omphalos

Creationists claim that our "memories" of evients earlier than last Thursday are evidence that there was a time prior to last Thursday. This is just their interpretation of the so-called "mnemonic record", based on dogma and unprovable assumptions. They admit themselves that they think God made Adam and Eve fully grown and possessing navels, but then they scoff at the truth --- that the Flying Spaghetti Monster made us last Thursday fully grown and possessing memories. And any darn thing else I want to explain away.

* Dogmatism

In the light of the overwhelming evidence, you might wonder why Creationists refuse to accept the facts. The reason is simple. The facts above all prove that the Earth was created last Thursday by the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and if they admitted that, they'd have to allow his Noodliness into their sinful hearts, and submit to the loving guidance of his Noodly Appendage.

The fact that they are so emphatic and dogmatic about their "thousands and thousands of years" shows that they are frightened of the truth. What other reason could there be?

* Teach Both Theories

Our children are being brainwashed in history class by being taught about events that happened "hundreds" or "thousands" of years ago. Spaghetti Monstrists feel that in the interests of balance and fairness, history teachers should give equal time to Last Thursdayism. After all, if Last Thursdayism is as "silly" as its critics claim, then what have they got to be afraid of?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 19 of 76 (408346)
07-02-2007 1:07 AM

* The Argument From Technology

Creationists admit that less than seventy years elapsed between the first brief flight in a plane by the Wright Brothers and men walking on the moon --- and yet they claim that "thousands and thousands" of years elapsed between creation and the first plane. Can anyone take this seriously? If we were created "thousands and thousands of years ago", then by now we'd have interstellar colonies.

According to creationist dogma, the Egyptians built the Pyramids "thousands and thousands" of years ago. These so-called "Egyptians" can't have been stupid. So why didn't they invent the airplane?

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Message 20 of 76 (408348)
07-02-2007 1:19 AM

* Bishop Bell's Tomb

Bishop Bell's tomb was supposedly made "hundreds and hundreds of years ago". But it has a dinosaur carved on it. Now, we have evidence that dinosaurs are roaming the earth today (see above) but no evidence that they did so hundreds and hundreds of years ago, and no pictures of dinosaurs earlier than the so-called "nineteenth century" (according to conventional creationist dating). This proves that artifacts supposedly "hundreds and hundreds of years old" are in fact modern, for how else could they feature a modern motif such as a dinosaur?

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Message 21 of 76 (412841)
07-26-2007 12:56 PM

* Short-lived isotopes

I just saw a fundie post this on another forum:

"But, explain polonium rings appearing in rocks. If Polonium has a half life of a few milliseconds, then how could it form in rocks? That's one of many but you can chew on that for a while."


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Message 54 of 76 (450665)
01-23-2008 5:40 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Cold Foreign Object
01-22-2008 11:11 PM

Lets just accept this at face value.

So you support the dog hypothesis?

You're barking.

At least the dog has a mind and therefore some "intelligence" so given enough time and a long enough life span it is infinetly more plausible than the evolutionary proposal.

Perhaps you should try explaining that to a biologist, they enjoy a good laugh.

However that may be, the dog hypothesis is markedly less plausible than the view that I'm advocating in this thread, i.e. the matchless truth of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, who made the world with his Noodly Appendage last Thursday.

However, the purpose of this thread is not to preach the truth of the FSM, nor to address your belief that the world was made by a dog, but to refute your delusion that the world existed for these fictitious "thousands and thousands of years" before last Thursday.

Please stay on topic. If you have any evidence for these "thousands and thousands of years", please share it with us.

Were you there?

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Message 56 of 76 (462114)
03-31-2008 7:27 AM

* Nylonase

There are bacteria that can digest nylon-6. Now, creationists admit that there are no beneficial mutations, and according to creationist chronology, nylon was invented in 1935. By their own admission, therefore, creation cannot have taken place earlier than 1935. And yet they cling blindly to their dogma of "thousands and thousands of years".

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Message 69 of 76 (462282)
04-02-2008 6:57 AM
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It's curious that evos would cite bacteria evolution as evidence for their theories since the form is remarkably stable.

If you wish to have this aspect of the bleedin' obvious explained to you, feel free to start a thread asking for my help, and I'll talk you through it. But please don't mess up my thread with your off-topic piffle.

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Message 71 of 76 (462313)
04-02-2008 12:26 PM
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04-01-2008 10:07 PM

But evolution doesn't necessarily involve the increase in genetic variation within a population, though. I don't think you understand the theory of evolution that well.

True, but no-one can convince him of this fact. This is what makes him such a complete dead loss even as a creationist.

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Message 75 of 76 (499219)
02-17-2009 12:54 PM

* Omphalos Confirmed By Science

I eat at least 2lb of food per day. I weight ~ 150lb. Hence I can't be more than 75 days old. The whole amonsterist myth of people "being born" and "growing up" is exploded by this obvious SCIENTIFIC FACT, which clearly supports the Omphalos theory described in the OP.

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Message 76 of 76 (566688)
06-25-2010 9:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
04-14-2007 12:59 AM

Anomaly-Spotting For Pleasure And Profit

Chinese archaeologists have found a tiny Swiss watch in a tomb dating back to the Ming dynasty, which they believed has been intact for four centuries.

The watch was discovered by scientists making a documentary, reports ananova.com website.

The out-of-time piece of jewellery was pressed into the soil covering one of the coffins.

The watch is stopped at 10:06, and there is the word “Swiss” on its back.

Work at the archaeological site has been suspended and experts from Beijing have been called in to help solve this mystery, which appears to belong in a sci-fi flick.

Now, YECs admit that the tiniest little unexplained anomaly is sufficient to overturn a whole mountain of evidence to the contrary. Indeed, judging by their arguments, this is the very basis of their philosophy.

They must therefore admit that this discovery overturns their presupposition that "hundreds and hundreds of years" have elapsed since the construction of the Ming tombs by the so-called "Ming dynasty".

However, this discovery fits perfectly with the EY'erEC position that the watch and the tombs were produced by an act of fiat creationism last Thursday.

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