Why are all Christians atheists?

well sure, if we define "praying" as "breathing" or "farting" then we can say that all atheists do both these things very regularly.Let's also define "attending church" as "preforming acts of child molestation"
and "shopping for a sweater" as "launching rockets to the moon"Guess what, words have meanings. If we just decide that all definitions are off, then anyone can say anything and it's completely valid.Green cow fling nickle book poop circular desk.Argue that

That's a different question than the one raised in the OP and in the title. I don't see the word 'atheist' anywhere in that question. It's a non sequitur. It has nothing to do with my reply.But besides that, what makes you think they all have the same data? Earlier, you classified these data as evidence (physical, empirical) and magic (spiritual, mental). But this 'magic' is subjective by its very nature. Each individual has his own set of data. We can't know that any two people have ever contacted the same 'God', so why should they reach the same conclusion?And, as jar pointed out, you're grossly mischaracterizing modern Christianity.

I don't do colloquial terminology. You've got to realise that I seek something more than informal responses, in order to suffice.But you've misunderstood the quote you provided.Number 3, for example requires that you act on the belief. For example, you BELIEVE that walking under ladders brings bad luck so you don't walk under ladders. You obey the faulty reasoning.Defining what superstition is, doesn't prove belief in God is superstition of itself. Exacting deduction will, which is what I require.That's not to say that religion cannot take part in superstition. I'm sure many Christians, including myself, act superstitiously according to their own beliefs, at times. And some religions might be based on pure superstition.Edited by mike the wiz, : No reason given.

If the belief that God's image on Earth died for one's sins and that one must embrace him lest face eternal damnation isn't a superstition then I don't know what is. Religion has elements that fit into all of these defintions, but let us focus on the idea of causation.....Walking under a ladder invokes bad luck.
Rejecting God/Jesus invokes eternal damnation.Neither of these causal relationships has any empirical basis, therefore on this point alone they may both be fairly characterized as superstitions.No amount of word-salad on your part can avoid this.Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.

So, you want someone to prove to you that their usage of a word corresponds to your own personal definitions. Give me a break.If a word has 5 possible definitions and any one of them fit, then the word was "by definition" used correctly.Trees are green.You can say, well "green" can mean "new" and not all trees are new, therefore I don't accept your definition.I gave you 5 definitions of superstition, 3 of which, by your own lack of response, are unchallengable. Two of which we could argue about.But since I only need to be correct with 1 of the 5, I'm gonna consider this debate over.If you want to play with your own dictionary, please, by all means, do so. Just do it offline and save us all the aggrevation.

Well, you've demonstrated in this very thread that you make assumptions about "all" Christians that don't really apply to all Christians. I'm just suggesting that you should be careful about assuming that you know what "prayer" means to "all" Christians.For some people, there's a fine line between prayer and meditation. And for some people, meditation has nothing to do with God. So if you're going to use "prayer" to distinguish between theists and atheists, you'd better have a pretty clear idea of what constitutes prayer. You don't seem to.

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1. It has nothing to do with belief in God, solely.(My claim)
2. I'm not talking about one interpretation of a Christian, or religions. I'm talking about belief in God - so it's utterly moot.Belief in God itself has nothing whatsoever to do with burning in hell. That's a non-sequitur.Belief in God and religions aren't the same thing. I am referring to the former.Why would I be arrogantly referring to Christians only? What about Pantheists or Deists. I refer to anyone with a beleif in god, not faulty religious interpretations of scripture.Belief in God, of itself, doesn't qualify as a superstition under the common definition, as of itself, it requires nor claims to cause anything..it is merely a conviction.There are two things you and Nuggin can't seperate.Belief and superstitious belief.If any belief was a superstition, then logically, superstition would have no definition, as we would have one term, which would be belief.Think long and hard about that sentence. Because consequentially, superstitious belief, would then be nothing more than a grammatical tautology. Google it.Edited by mike the wiz, : No reason given.Edited by mike the wiz, : No reason given.

- So you want ducks to bite their wings off and fly to the moon? - Now surely that's an accurate assesment of your posts!Let's test your reasoning then; Yes. That's fine so far. Ahh...the ship sinks. What exactly does that mean? Is it consequential - am I supposed to treat your claims as true because you provided definitions? How odd. That's fine........a bit like believing that the fight ends when the first boxer puts his boxing gloves on.

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If any belief was a superstition, then logically, superstition would have no definition, as we would have one term, which would be belief.

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Superstition is a subset of belief.

Note that though you respond to the post, you still have not addressed the 3 definitions.If you're the boxer without the gloves, than I guess you analogy is correct.Next time you wanna step in the ring, please suit up.

Careful Nator,Mike has not yet approved the use of the word "is" or "a", let alone with word "subset".You may spend the next 20 posts having to break down your simple sentence into much smaller bite sized pieces.

You've managed to completely confuse the whole point of this particular substring within the string.The original statement was something to the effect that "all atheists are theists".I couldn't give a rat's ass how all the various Christians define prayer vs meditation.I'm simply saying that if you wanna accept sentences like "All atheists are theists" then you need to further accept all sentences like "Green circle boxcar feather monkey" as being equally valid - since clearly none of these words have any meaning or context.

Could be, but many 'fundies' did go thru a point of seriously considering fundamentalism with an open mind!

And I'm simply saying that you can't distinguish atheists from theists on the basis of prayer.(As far as the OP is concerned, I sorta halfway agree with it. I just think you're doing a really bad job of defending it. Maybe you're just out of your depth, like you are with your attempts at sarcasm. )

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But prayer has nothing to do with the sentence.It's like me saying "Trees are green" and you saying "well depends on how you define bushes."Sure bushes and trees are tangentially related, but your sentence is a total non-seq to the original statment