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Author Topic:   Why are all Christians atheists?
Nuggin
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Message 59 of 161 (395004)
04-14-2007 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Phat
04-14-2007 2:04 PM


Re: Individuals
We could well ask why all atheists are theists
This would be a great question, if Atheists were constantly praying. The problem is, they aren't.

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Message 61 of 161 (395013)
04-14-2007 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by ringo
04-14-2007 2:29 PM


Re: Individuals
well sure, if we define "praying" as "breathing" or "farting" then we can say that all atheists do both these things very regularly.
Let's also define "attending church" as "preforming acts of child molestation"
and "shopping for a sweater" as "launching rockets to the moon"
Guess what, words have meanings. If we just decide that all definitions are off, then anyone can say anything and it's completely valid.
Green cow fling nickle book poop circular desk.
Argue that

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Nuggin
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Message 65 of 161 (395036)
04-14-2007 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by mike the wiz
04-14-2007 3:36 PM


Re: Whats The Deal?
So, you want someone to prove to you that their usage of a word corresponds to your own personal definitions. Give me a break.
If a word has 5 possible definitions and any one of them fit, then the word was "by definition" used correctly.
Trees are green.
You can say, well "green" can mean "new" and not all trees are new, therefore I don't accept your definition.
I gave you 5 definitions of superstition, 3 of which, by your own lack of response, are unchallengable. Two of which we could argue about.
But since I only need to be correct with 1 of the 5, I'm gonna consider this debate over.
If you want to play with your own dictionary, please, by all means, do so. Just do it offline and save us all the aggrevation.

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Nuggin
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Message 70 of 161 (395049)
04-14-2007 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by mike the wiz
04-14-2007 6:19 PM


Re: Whats The Deal?
Note that though you respond to the post, you still have not addressed the 3 definitions.
If you're the boxer without the gloves, than I guess you analogy is correct.
Next time you wanna step in the ring, please suit up.

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Nuggin
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Message 71 of 161 (395050)
04-14-2007 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by nator
04-14-2007 6:35 PM


Re: Whats The Deal?
Careful Nator,
Mike has not yet approved the use of the word "is" or "a", let alone with word "subset".
You may spend the next 20 posts having to break down your simple sentence into much smaller bite sized pieces.

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Nuggin
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Message 72 of 161 (395051)
04-14-2007 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by ringo
04-14-2007 5:48 PM


Re: Individuals
You've managed to completely confuse the whole point of this particular substring within the string.
The original statement was something to the effect that "all atheists are theists".
I couldn't give a rat's ass how all the various Christians define prayer vs meditation.
I'm simply saying that if you wanna accept sentences like "All atheists are theists" then you need to further accept all sentences like "Green circle boxcar feather monkey" as being equally valid - since clearly none of these words have any meaning or context.

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Nuggin
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Message 75 of 161 (395069)
04-14-2007 8:04 PM
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04-14-2007 7:54 PM


Re: Individuals
But prayer has nothing to do with the sentence.
It's like me saying "Trees are green" and you saying "well depends on how you define bushes."
Sure bushes and trees are tangentially related, but your sentence is a total non-seq to the original statment

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Nuggin
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Message 78 of 161 (395084)
04-14-2007 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by ringo
04-14-2007 8:17 PM


Re: Individuals
OMG! What is with you?
What are you trying to argue in the first place? No materr what I write, all you do is copy and paste some tiny piece of text, give some smart ass remark and put a smiley face.
Fine, you win, you're the smartest player in the game! Congratulations! Hurray!
I look forward to your next post -
"Tiny piece of text" - "Actually it's not pieces of text, its sentence fragments, something which you clearly don't have a good grasp of."
MOVE ON

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Nuggin
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Message 84 of 161 (395161)
04-15-2007 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by mike the wiz
04-15-2007 9:50 AM


Re: Whats The Deal?
There is no empirical evidence he does not exist, so to believe he doesn't, would be superstitious, according to that illogic.
Please, you're flailing now.

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Nuggin
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Message 85 of 161 (395163)
04-15-2007 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by mike the wiz
04-15-2007 10:03 AM


Re: Whats The Deal?
puling their own definition out of their butts, like we see Nuggin and co doing right now.
Excuse me? http://www.dictionary.com
It may not be the biggest website in the world, but it certainly doesn't fit "in my butt".
It's this kind of crazy ass bullcrap coming from you gdamn fundies that results in every single one of these thread crashing and burning into these typical garbage arguements.
Mike - "I don't accept any definition of any word other than my own. Prove me wrong."
I'm amazed you learned to use a keyboard at all.

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Nuggin
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Message 90 of 161 (395176)
04-15-2007 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by mike the wiz
04-15-2007 12:56 PM


Re: Whats The Deal?
To use your own logic -
You have provided no evidence that you are not a fundy, therefore, by my personal definition, you are one.
Debate that, oh, and out of hand, I won't accept any definitions for "fundy" "definition" or any verbs other than the one's I personally have written down on a piece of paper.
Let's see you deal with your own bullshit for a change.

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Nuggin
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Message 92 of 161 (395192)
04-15-2007 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by mike the wiz
04-15-2007 1:34 PM


Re: The end is nigh
There is no "debate".
You ask for a definition to a word.
Several people proved you with common definitions from many different well established sources.
You claim that those definitions aren't good enough for you and that we've simply made up the words.
That's not debate. That's just you with your fingers in your ears screaming "I can't hear you, nah nah nah nah."

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Nuggin
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Message 100 of 161 (395543)
04-16-2007 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by truthlover
04-16-2007 9:07 PM


right, or like the time Zeus sent down angels to rain brimstone over Sodom and Gamora

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Nuggin
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Message 109 of 161 (395778)
04-17-2007 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Hyroglyphx
04-17-2007 9:39 AM


Re: Good point
As OP I'd like to respond -
Its almost like Dawkins and the OP cannot accept theism unless in context to polytheism, rather than monotheism.
I am an atheist and I accept polytheism, montheism and atheism as people's right to believe what they want. In fact most atheists hold the same ground - "we don't believe it, but you go right ahead." so long as you don't try and force your beliefs into the school system, or use them to lead us into a war.
I know that polythesists don't have a problem with athiests or monotheists. When was the last time you heard a Hindu ridiculing a Christian for believing in only one God?
The problem is that the monotheists DO have a problem with both Atheists and Polytheists. In fact, they have such a problem with it, it's lead to damn near 2000 years of genocide.
What's more, the monotheists have a problem with OTHER monotheists!
If modern Monotheists still supported Ra worship along the lines of Akhenaten's original monotheism, then I'd say, "Hey, you know what, you guys were the first on the field, you get to play."
But that's not what's going on. Modern monotheists are Johnny-come-lately's to the concept of monotheism and are STILL telling everyone else that they are wrong wrong wrong.
What gives?

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Nuggin
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Message 115 of 161 (395829)
04-18-2007 1:08 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by anastasia
04-17-2007 10:11 PM


Re: Good point
Man, you guys gotta get on the same page.
I've got two completely oposite answers on two different threads. You're claiming that Christianity changes through time while Jj is saying that it can not, will not, has never and will never change one bit.
Maybe you two should form a thread of your own.

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