A personal morality

That's the point though, when my conscience alone is not enough. If I realized that some behavior was immoral but did it anyways.You don't always have to listen to your conscience.At that point you can still turn to God.

Its a possibility, but I don't know how I would be able to tell. I think I can. How can anyone know? I guess you have to trust your conscience.If I tell a lie and nobody knows its false and nobody gets hurt, I would still consider it immoral.If I'm defending myself, and the other guy does get hurt, I wouldn't neccessarily consider it immoral.Somebody getting hurt is not enough info to determine if it is moral or not. You have to go with your gut, I guess. Or society.

I don't know.Its more of a pass/fail response, it doesn't give an explanation. That's how I tell if things are bad. Its more of a possibility, it probably is.

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But let me get back to the atheist = more immorality thing. I think its best to give an example here.The last time I got into a bar fight, it was both of our faults and we both wanted to fight. Now, before the fight, my fists clinched up, my heart sped up, I started feeling more like an animal. I started feeling farther away from god. When I feel like that, and think about god, I realize that I should stop and think about what I'm doing and how it isn't the right thing to do. Its that seperation from god that makes me feel like I'm sinning and makes me think that my action was wrong. I should try to avoid fighting. But, the last time, I did fight. I didn't think about god and I wanted to fight. Now, without god, I don't think that I was behaving immorally. He wanted to fight, I wanted to fight, let's get it on. But with god, I do think I was behaving immorally as I was seperating myself from him. My conscience told me that I was wrong and that I shouldn't have fought. But when I think about the situation as if I was an atheist, I don't see anything wrong with it. If I didn't believe in god, I would have gotten into more fights.

I doubt that I'd change that to belief in God is not needed for Morality. But that is just my opinion, because without god, we are amoral beasts. My point wasn't that I need god to behave morally, it was that without my belief in god, I would behave more immorally. Yes, but what if their conscience is wrong and they are actually NOT behaving morally.... just like visa versa. No problem, I like you. No, there's something else too.

A physical explanation for a phenomenon does not preclude god's involvement. A fine opinion, but I disagree.

That must be because being a believer makes you fight Well, they do in southern Illinois. I know what my conscience is. I don't attribute it to god alone.When my conscience isn't getting the job done, I can turn to god to pick up the slack.

You've misunderstood me.Its not that I need god to tell me that getting into bar fights is wrong, its that god helps in preventing me from doing something that I know is wrong. I don't think its my conscience. Of course everybody has it. Even though everybody has it, that doesn't mean it isn't from god. If it was from god, unbelievers would still have it even though they don't believe in him.

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I guess that's just more evidense that believing makes you get into bar fights And they're gonna be fucked when they actually need to use violence.Bar fighting is all culture. It doesn't matter if you're a believer or mature.

Sure, from the get-go. But if you go and change your beliefs, it would affect your morality.

No, I was typing about something other than my conscience. Not necessarily.Why must you always twist and turn what I'm saying?It is so annoying. We're not even talking about the same thing. Wow, that's just brilliant Not only are we not on the same page, we're not even in the same book.

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Bad people look for people like you to prey upon.

I don't see what the problem is, I mean, how wouldn't it?If your beliefs on what is moral changes, certainly your morality would change. If your source for guidelines on morality changed (i.e religion) then your morality would change. Changing your beliefs can affect how much influence your culture has. If it weighs less

Oh well. Only with your faulty premises. Your error is that your not following my claims. You twist and then follow. Wrong. That's not what I'm saying.I'll tell you what, any time you end a sentence with ",right?" or ",no?", you're probably wrong about what I'm saying.

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I don't have time right now to give you the detailed explanation you need for what I thought was a fairly simple concept to understand.And given your intentions for only twisting what I'm trying to say, it will be pretty low on my "To Do" list.

So?, That's how it starts. It doesn't mean that it can't change afterwards. You think your morality is unchangeable? It doesn't change what was trained but it could change what training you dismiss, or what addition training you accept.