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GDR
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Message 166 of 169 (395275)
04-15-2007 9:22 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by ringo
04-15-2007 7:27 PM


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Ringo writes:

Whether making ourselves right with God or right with our neighbour, the Christ-crutch "mechanism" is still a way of squirming out of our responsibility. Better to stand before God and say, "It's not that I don't appreciate your Son's 'sacrifice', but I'll take what's coming to me anyway."

If one doesn't believe in an afterlife then "what's coming to you", is going to happen in this life which is exactly the same as what happens to a Christian.

As a Christian I believe that there is a God that cares about the type of person that I am. Confession, repentence and forgiveness is good for the soul, and if it is real will make one more like the person that God wants us to be. IMHO

Assuming you're a parent and your 15 year old screws up. Wouldn't you rather that he/she came clean, told the truth, said they wouldn't do it again and asked for your forgiveness, as opposed to ignoring it and pretending it hadn't happened?

Ringo writes:

They have their ups and downs. Saskatchewan is next-year country.

It's a great province. Spent a year in Moose Jaw and loved it.


Everybody is entitled to my opinion. :)
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Message 167 of 169 (395293)
04-15-2007 10:34 PM
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04-15-2007 9:22 PM


GDR writes:

Assuming you're a parent and your 15 year old screws up. Wouldn't you rather that he/she came clean, told the truth, said they wouldn't do it again and asked for your forgiveness, as opposed to ignoring it and pretending it hadn't happened?

That's not what I'm talking about at all. I'm talking about the idea of Jesus "paying a debt for us" or something to that effect. We should definitely come clean, tell the truth, repent, not do it again, brush our teeth after every meal, turn around three times and say ten Hail Marys. But we shouldn't accept any payment of any supposed debt by Jesus.


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GDR
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Message 168 of 169 (395319)
04-16-2007 12:02 AM
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Ringo writes:

I'm talking about the idea of Jesus "paying a debt for us" or something to that effect.

I don't see it that way either. CS Lewis writes, "The central belief is that Christ's death has somehow put us right with God and given us a fresh start". It is like the example I used with the 15 year old. God hopes that we confess, repent and ask for forgiveness because it heals our heart. What God wants is a heart that isn't focused on ourselves but a heart that yearns for goodness, love, justice etc.

Frankly I think that you are rejecting a view of Christianity that I don't believe in either, but then who's to say that I have it all correct either.


Everybody is entitled to my opinion. :)
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Message 169 of 169 (395342)
04-16-2007 1:01 AM
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GDR writes:

Frankly I think that you are rejecting a view of Christianity that I don't believe in either....

So we're only divided by a common language. :)


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