Evolution or Creation

Using any popular idea of C(reation) I don't see how you can have A&C?

Well, ignoring the false dichotomy part it is valid. I'm sure he didn't mean that an atheist has to believe in evolution and believing in evolution means you can't believe in god.
Maybe just hasty formatting, it's quite a long post anyway.

A&C is tricky. i was thinking back to before evolution became a real observation and later a theory to explain it. probably should have made that more clear.it all really depends on how you define "creation". there could be some atheist out there who does think that things were "poofed into existance". Have I met any? No. Have I met many atheists? The only place I've met people who readily claim to be atheistic is on this board.the only two things you can't pair are A&G--to be an atheist means you reject God (and/or the idea of such a being). as such, they are antithetical (not that I need to tell you that).

Alien creation of first life. The ID political token non-theist position.But even these four are not exclusive, you can also have GC&E

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Why don`t we let him talk for himself, shall we? Because it sounds as that was exactly what he meant.

You people just don't get it do you?I have believed in God every since I read the Bible for the first time at age 7. I am now 67 years old, I trusted Christ as my personal saviour at the age of 9 and received eternal life at that time and any time that ever comes to be present time.Now this is what my God did for me. He sent His only begotten Son to die in my place so I could spend eternity with Him in Heaven.And YES I CHOSE to accept the free gift offered by God.
Just as each of you have chosen to believe what you do.But that has nothing to do with the question.I have just stated a very short version of what my God has done for me, and will do for anyone that will trust Him for eternal life.What I am asking is, what does Atheism have to offer?What does Evolution have to offer? I know you say it is just change over time. But you also have to say man evolved from that first single cell of life. That means he does not have a Spirit.You cannot believe in the total package of evolution and believe that God formed the first man from the dust of the earth and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. (Genesis 2:7)Nor can you believe that He made the second man in His image. (Genesis 1:27)Granny used to say son you can't have your cake and eat it too.Either there is a God who created everything like He said.ORThere is no God and we just happened.So I ask again , What would be the BENEFIT of my great grandson who has about 3 months to birth yet have in not believing in God and His creation and instead believing that there is no God and we just happened?

No one has to believe in anything.But they choose to believe in certain things.Edited by ICANT, : No reason given.

Why?Evolution offers truth. Of course. You need to understand that the tales in Genesis were meant to teach a theological lesson, not a science lesson.Several times I have pointed you towards Christian sources that address your concerns. from the Catechism of Creation

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Actually, these can be paired as well. It happens all the time: an atheist given one picture of god can be a believer given another picture of god.The Christians executed by the ancient Romans were sentenced not for the gods they professed, but for the gods they did not. The European druids killed by Christian missionaries a few centuries later believed in many more gods than the Christians did, but were executed for their unbelief.The author of the OP is a combination A&G. Icant would be considered an infidel by Muslim extremists. And the extremists would be considered infidels by him.Of course, your post uses the term atheism in its absolute sense. You use it to mean rejection of all gods--as you put it, 'the idea of such a being.' This is standard usage. It's what people do in modern existential discussions.This standard usage is not the one, though, that the author of the OP understands. In framing the 'choice' as one between belief and atheism, he means embracing his picture of deity or no picture at all. He takes no notice of the vast number of other possible pictures one could embrace. He thus does not realize the extent to which he is already an atheist.

I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

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____Edited by Archer Opterix, : typo repair.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

But jar I believe they are an accurate account of what happened in the beginning, and then at a later date.

I do not doubt that is what you believe.You are the one who has to decide whether you want to continue to believe what has been shown to be totally false.

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But that flies on the face of the evidence taken directly from the world that those things never happened. To deny this amounts to denying that god`s creation (The world itself) can be understood by the human mind (also god`s creation ain`t it?). Why would god set us that trap?

What has this got to do with the question I asked?What is the benefit of believing in no God and that we just evolved?

jar no one has shown me that what I believe Genesis teaches about the creation is false. As I have said no one believes what I believe Genesis teaches, or at least they won't admit it. No one listens to it just as everybody is ignoring the questions I set out in the beginning op.

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What benefit would it be for me to renounce God and creation and embrace Atheism and evolution?
For that matter what benefit is derived by anyone choosing Atheism and Evolution over God and Creation?

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God tells me He created the Heavens and the Earth and everything in them.
God promises me eternal life if I believe and trust Him.Atheism promises????????????????????????death.
Evolution says I just evolved from a single cell life form that no one knows where it came from, how or why. In a universe that no one knows where it came from, how or why.

to free ourselves from superstition.

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