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crashfrog
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Message 149 of 196 (394060)
04-09-2007 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by New Cat's Eye
04-09-2007 1:27 PM


Re: Talkin' 'bout my morality...
If you remove God, then I have one less reason to NOT behave immorally and would be more inclined to do so.
That doesn't make any sense. If your other reasons are sufficient, then they don't get less sufficient just because one reason has been removed.
If you're wearing a belt and suspenders, then your pants don't fall down just because you take the belt off. The suspenders are still there to hold your pants up.

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crashfrog
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Message 152 of 196 (394065)
04-09-2007 2:01 PM
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04-09-2007 1:53 PM


Re: Talkin' 'bout my morality...
I agree with you for most things, that taking god out really wouldn't have an effect. But there are things, for me, that it would. I would be less moral if I didn't believe in God.
If we're talking about things that are only immoral because it's your belief God says they are, then if you stopped believing in God, why would doing those things still be immoral?

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crashfrog
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Message 170 of 196 (394130)
04-09-2007 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by New Cat's Eye
04-09-2007 2:06 PM


Re: Talkin' 'bout my morality...
We're talking typing about things that my conscience says are immoral but I would enjoy doing anyways.
Why does your conscience say they're immoral?
If I didn't stop to think about God then I'd just go with it and have fun being bad.
Why are they bad just because it goes against your conscience? Isn't it possible that your "conscience" is just your internalized tendency to conform to the moral standards of your community? (I would say that the Milgram experiment definitely suggests that it is.)

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crashfrog
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Message 175 of 196 (394423)
04-11-2007 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 172 by New Cat's Eye
04-10-2007 12:09 PM


Re: Talkin' 'bout my morality...
But let me get back to the atheist = more immorality thing. I think its best to give an example here.
I find your example somewhat faulty, because you don't take into account how your view of morality and ethics would change when you became an atheist. You might very well find that you gained a new moral sense to replace the "god-sense" that previously held you in check.
I think people are moral by habit, and I doubt that atheism would cause a big change to your habits. If you're in the habit of only getting into fights some of the time, then I doubt you would find yourself in many more of them. (And fighting isn't necessarily morally wrong, anyway, although the way you do it seems a little reckless.)

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crashfrog
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Message 195 of 196 (396352)
04-19-2007 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by Neutralmind
04-17-2007 8:19 PM


Re: Crashfrog and Chiroptera up for a great debate?
Content deleted - Take it to the topic cited in the red text - Adminnemooseus
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See above.

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