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Author Topic:   Problems with Genesis Creation
Cthulhu
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Message 3 of 173 (395747)
04-17-2007 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jjsemsch
04-17-2007 11:25 AM


Let's take a look at Noah's Ark, shall we?
Maths time. Now, the formula the amount of food an endothermic carnivore needs per day is x = 0.11(mass in kg)^0.75. Your average Tyrannosaurus rex massed 5000 kg, and that's being generous on your part. That's about 65.4 kg of meat per day. Noah's Ark floated for one year, according to the Bible. For two T. rex, assuming they would be unclean, that would mean Noah would need about 47746.7 kg of meat, and would need it to remain edible for that time. Now, meat's specific gravity is around 0.9, if I remember correctly, so that would take up around 53 cubic meters of space.
Now, let's extend this to the other large, predatory dinosaurs. Like the 4500 kg Spinosaurus. Or the 8000 kg Giganotosaurus. Or Carcharodontosaurus, which massed around 5000 kg. Tarbosaurus is another 5000 kg beastie, as is "Megalosaurus" ignens, the giant ceratosaurid.
Just those five animals boosts the amount of meat needed to around 303,031.1 kg of meat, which would take up around 336.7 cubic meters.
I can go on, if you want. There's dozens more theropods that mass around the ones I've already shown, and hundreds that mass less.
Edited by Cthulhu, : Fixing math.

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Cthulhu
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Message 24 of 173 (395920)
04-18-2007 12:16 PM
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04-17-2007 7:37 PM


Re: Let's take a look at Noah's Ark, shall we?
As close to certain as we can possibly be. Position of the legs, population densities, growth rates, feathery integument on relatives of a few of them, and bone structure in general, I think. I believe that there was a recent study on the growth rates of T. rex that showed that they reached full size in around five years, something that you wouldn't get if it were an ectotherm.
There's probably a good deal more evidence, but I'm a layman, and couldn't give much more than the general stuff.

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Cthulhu
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Message 81 of 173 (396115)
04-18-2007 10:48 PM
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04-18-2007 4:58 PM


Re: My top 20: 14 of 20
Hate to break it to you, but the Paluxy tracks are partially eroded theropod footprints. Pretty hard to be from humans, what with them being at least twice the size. The ones that are human-sized, by the way, a forgeries, and not even good ones.

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Cthulhu
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Message 82 of 173 (396119)
04-18-2007 10:56 PM
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04-18-2007 7:35 PM


Re: My top 20: 16 of 20
Just a nitpick, there were no swimming dinosaurs, aside from a handful of birds. However, there were plenty of other swimming animals that didn't make it, including sauropteryigans (plesiosaurs and pliosaurs), icthyosaurs, mosasaurs, and champsosaurs, not to mention the dozens of smaller groups, which I'll be all to happy to track down and list, if anyone wants.

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Cthulhu
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Message 107 of 173 (396353)
04-19-2007 6:00 PM
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04-19-2007 4:50 PM


Re: Let's take a look at Noah's Ark, shall we?
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Unfortunately I’ve never observed the mating patterns of dinosaurs, so I’m unable to classify which dinosaurs fall into created kind. Of the 668 named dinosaurs there are likely only 55 kinds.
This would peg kinds at around the familial level, if not higher. Since fertile interbreeding can only occur within genera at best, you're wrong on your estimate.
Edit: Let me count this out. Dinosauria contains the following named families.
1. Herrerasauridae
2. Coelophysidae
3. Ceratosauridae
4. Noasauridae
5. Abelisauridae
6. Megalosauridae
7. Spinosauridae
8. Sinraptoridae
9. Allosauridae
10. Carcharodontosauridae
11. Compsognathidae
12. Ornitholestidae
13. Tyrannosauridae
14. Ornithomimidae
15. Caegnathidae
16. Oviraptoridae
17. Avimimidae
18. Therizinosauridae
19. Dromaeosauridae
20. Troodontidae
21. Alvarezsauridae
22. Plateosauridae
23. Riojasauridae
24. Massospondylidae
25. Vulcanodontidae
26. Brachiosauridae
27. Camarasauridae
28. Saltasauridae
29. Rebbachisauridae
30. Dicraeosauridae
31. Diplodocidae
32. Nodosauridae
33. Polacanthidae
34. Ankylosauridae
35. Huayangosauridae
36. Stegosauridae
37. Heterodontosauridae
38. Thescelosauridae
39. Rhabdodontidae
40. Dryosauridae
41. Camptosauridae
42. Hadrosauridae
43. Pachycephalosauridae
44. Chaoyangsauridae
45. Psittacosauridae
46. Leptoceratopidae
47. Bagaceratopidae
48. Protoceratopidae
49. Ceratopidae
There. 49 families. However, monogeneric families are frowned upon, so let's add the dinosaurs that would create those.
50. Eoraptor
51. Dilophosaurus
52. Megaraptor
53. Gasosaurus
54. Sigilmassasaurus
55. Coelurus
56. Itemirus
57. Okay, there's no use going into Sauropodomorpha or Ornithischia, since Just grabbing the ones out of Theropoda allowed me to top 55.
Edited by Cthulhu, : No reason given.

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Cthulhu
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Message 120 of 173 (396548)
04-20-2007 4:20 PM
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04-20-2007 1:17 PM


Re: Some rebuttals
Not to mention that sauropods and water did not mix. They were about as aquatic as a cactus.

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