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jar
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Message 6 of 173 (395756)
04-17-2007 7:48 PM


What does ANYTHING related to the flood have to do with Creation?
What does any of the Ark/Flood stuff have to do with the Creation myths in Genesis?

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jar
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Message 8 of 173 (395761)
04-17-2007 8:08 PM
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04-17-2007 7:58 PM


Re: What does ANYTHING related to the flood have to do with Creation?
Not in the portions related to Creation.
Look, the various Creation Myths in Genesis are silly enough. Try to stick to them and not unrelated areas.

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jar
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Message 14 of 173 (395894)
04-18-2007 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by obvious Child
04-18-2007 1:31 AM


Re: What does ANYTHING related to the flood have to do with Creation?
Feel free to start a thread on it because that too is simply not true.

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jar
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Message 44 of 173 (395971)
04-18-2007 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by jjsemsch
04-18-2007 3:11 PM


A GREAT example of the dishonest techniques of the folk at AIG.
AIG does piss poor pseudo-science and counts on the ignorance of folk like you to get away with it.
You posted:
In the Hornton Quarries in England fossilized wood has been found in rock that has been dated at 189 million years old. This wood is assumed to be the same age as the rock it’s buried in, so no secular scientist would ever think of getting a radiocarbon date from this fossilized wood. Andrew Snelling a Creationist Associate Professor of Geology did such a test. The radiocarbon dating results were extremely close to the Geochron result 24,005+-600 years. This is much lower than the assumed age of 189 million years. The rest of the results can be found here:
Geological Conflict | Answers in Genesis
Any creationist who knows his (or her) stuff will light up when you mention radiocarbon dating. I don’t consider myself an expert, but I know that radiocarbon dating limits the ages of once living things to ages more reasonably close to an approximately 6k yr old Earth.
That, my friend is simply a con-job. AIG is trying to baffle you with bullshit and misdirect your attention while they palm the pea and steal your money.
I am very glad you posted it.
Here is how they conned you.
They intentionally used a test that can ONLY give a false answer.
This is totally dishonest.
If you measure something that is outside the limits of the measuring tool you are using, you WILL get false results.
Radio-Carbon dating is accurate to a maximum of about 50,000 years, maybe 60,000 years using today's best equipment.
AIG knows that.
AIG knows that if you try to date something that is 100,000 years old using RadioCarbon dating you will get an answer of 60,000 years using today's best equipment.
AIG knows that if you try to date something that is 200,000 years old using RadioCarbon dating you will get an answer of 60,000 years using today's best equipment.
AIG knows that if you try to date something that is 300,000 years old using RadioCarbon dating you will get an answer of 60,000 years using today's best equipment.
AIG knows that if you try to date something that is 400,000 years old using RadioCarbon dating you will get an answer of 60,000 years using today's best equipment.
AIG knows that if you try to date something that is 600,000 years old using RadioCarbon dating you will get an answer of 60,000 years using today's best equipment.
AIG knows that if you try to date something that is 700,000 years old using RadioCarbon dating you will get an answer of 60,000 years using today's best equipment.
AIG knows that if you try to date something that is 800,000 years old using RadioCarbon dating you will get an answer of 60,000 years using today's best equipment.
AIG knows that if you try to date something that is 900,000 years old using RadioCarbon dating you will get an answer of 60,000 years using today's best equipment.
AIG knows that if you try to date something that is 1,000,000 years old using RadioCarbon dating you will get an answer of 60,000 years using today's best equipment.
AIG knows that if you try to date something that is 10,000,000 years old using RadioCarbon dating you will get an answer of 60,000 years using today's best equipment.
AIG knows that if you try to date something that is 100,000,000 years old using RadioCarbon dating you will get an answer of 60,000 years using today's best equipment.
AIG knows that if you try to date something that is 1,000,000,000 years old using RadioCarbon dating you will get an answer of 60,000 years using today's best equipment.
AIG counts on their audience's ignorance to get away with con-tricks like that.
AIG lies.
AIG is VERY successful though at getting the money out of Christian pockets.
Did AIG then try dating the sample using other methods that might just give them a correct answer? Hell no! They had the answer they wanted and to hell with truth, honesty or integrity.
AIG lies.

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jar
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Message 45 of 173 (395972)
04-18-2007 3:41 PM
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04-18-2007 3:15 PM


Re: What does ANYTHING related to the flood have to do with Creation?
Take it to the appropriate thread an I will happily discuss it.

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jar
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Message 103 of 173 (396323)
04-19-2007 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by jjsemsch
04-19-2007 2:56 PM


Lewis Trilemma and the Topic
Lewis Trilemma was always fun on long cold evenings and it was neat watching the Lower School kids try to use it in arguments with the older Middle School kids. Of course it is also totally irrelevant to this topic as it was in those long ago debates.
The Genesis Myths are simply wrong. That is not even subject to question except by an act of Willful Ignorance. All that is need is a quick look and anyone who is not in a state of complete denial of reality can see that the Earth was NOT created before the Sun.
If someone wishes to believe in falsehoods and delusions, they are of course, free to believe in one of the Genesis myths, or the Iroquois Myths or the Egyptian Myths or any of the other equally wrong tales.
That is their privilege.
However the Genesis Creation Myths are still just myths, and everyone but the Christian Cult of Ignorance knows that.

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jar
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Message 108 of 173 (396354)
04-19-2007 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by jjsemsch
04-19-2007 5:31 PM


Re: Message 9: Pollen
I’m not a PhD geologist, so this may be a dumb question. If so please don’t be too harsh on me. If pollen were found in uncontaminated Precambrian rock would that overturn your argument?
It would certainly be something that needed explaining. So far the oldest flowering plants only date to about 140,000,000 years ago. The Cambrian period runs from around 550,000,000 years ago to about 490,000,000 years ago. Pre-Cambrian would be even earlier.
Grasses, which were mentioned only appeared around 65,000,000 years ago.
But all of these dates are simply based on the available evidence.
That is important.
All of these dates are based on available evidence.
The way knowledge is gained is by new evidence being found that calls the existing theories into question.
If pollens were found in layers earlier than 140,000,000 old, it would be an amazing discovery. It would certainly make folk re-evaluate current understandings.
But it would provide NO support for Biblical Creationism.

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jar
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Message 118 of 173 (396519)
04-20-2007 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by jjsemsch
04-20-2007 12:45 PM


Re: Some rebuttals
Also the leviathan is a very good description of pterodactyls.
Again, I don't know who has been feeding you such nonsense but they have done you a great disservice.
Look at some of the descriptions of Leviathan.
"Can you pull in the leviathan with a fishhook or tie down his tongue with a rope?
There the ships go to and fro, and the leviathan, which you formed to frolic there.
In that day, the LORD will punish with his sword, his fierce, great and powerful sword, Leviathan the gliding serpent, Leviathan the coiling serpent; he will slay the monster of the sea.
Can you see a pattern yet?

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jar
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Message 122 of 173 (396559)
04-20-2007 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Doddy
04-20-2007 8:11 PM


Genesis Creation Myths are simply false.
Well I don't see that as of any importance. Consider "Heads of State." It's just not an important or even relevant issue.
The fact is that the Genesis Creation Myths are absolutely false and no one can honestly claim they are accurate. It's not necessary to look at minor things like plurality or critters that only show up in later books.
Anyone who claims that the Genesis Creation accounts are accurate is either very ignorant, very deluded or very dishonest. There are no other possibilities.
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13And the evening and the morning were the third day.
16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
So let's look at this.
the order in the Bible is
  1. night & day
  2. grasses
  3. create the sun and moon
Sorry, that is simply wrong.
I will continue if needed but the fact is that the order listed in the Bible is simply wrong.

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jar
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Message 157 of 173 (397368)
04-25-2007 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by catman62@bellsouth.net
04-25-2007 4:52 PM


Re: quoting the bible genisis
god said let light come out of darkness first ...
Well if that is the case, then your god is wrong.
It really is that simple, the god you mention is wrong.

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