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Doddy
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Message 4 of 12 (396463)
04-20-2007 6:56 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Nuggin
04-19-2007 4:33 PM


Bariminology!
Baraminology - classification of created organisms
Holobaramin: "The holobaramin is all and only those known living and/or extinct forms of life understood to share genetic relationship. It is an entire group believed to be related by common ancestry...In more specific creationist terminology the holobaramin consists of all known organisms in a group beginning after God created the original organisms"
Is a seal a kind of dog, a kind of fish, a kind of dolphin, or just a kind of seal?
I's assume a kind of seal. I don't think creationists would go so far to say that they had a common ancestor to their fellow members of the suborder Caniformia, like dogs, because that would involve too much macroevolution! I think they would draw the line at the family level for most of the Carnivora, as they often do for their favourite example: Canidae.
Is a penguin a kind of bird?
Generally, birds are considered an apobaraminic group. Comprised of more than one baramin, but "no member organism of a holobaramin within an apobaramin shares ancestry with any organism outside of its own holobaramin"
Is a platypus a kind of kangaroo or a kind of beaver or a kind of duck?
Platypi are prototheria, which is not even the same class for ducks (Synapsida for mammals, Sauropsida for birds), and subclass (Theria for kangaroos and beavers). No creationist would fathom that much macroevolution!
Is a crab a kind of spider?
Is a spider a kind of ant?
Considering that these aren't even the same subphylum (spiders are Chelicerata, crabs Crustacea and ants Hexapoda), and that creationists will barely stretch their baramin concept to order, I doubt any creationist would consider them related. Arthropoda is an apobaramin for sure!

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Doddy
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Message 5 of 12 (396464)
04-20-2007 7:00 AM


Best Baramin!
The only baramin where creationists will draw the line at the species (or maybe, the genus) level is our own - Homo sapiens.
The only problem is, they can't quite work out which ones are apes and which aren't. That's kind of saying something about the transitional nature of these hominids fossils, isn't it?

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