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Author Topic:   Problems with Genesis Creation
kuresu
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Message 5 of 173 (395753)
04-17-2007 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Cthulhu
04-17-2007 7:06 PM


Re: Let's take a look at Noah's Ark, shall we?
Just want to clarify something.
you mention T-rex and all those other massive dinosaur carnivores. Just how positive are we that they are warm-blooded? The last thing I've read about this was from a book by Bakker (i think he's the author--massive book too) and that was when I was a 5th grader (so . . .8 years ago?). A good case then, just want to check. I just know someone's going to argue "uh uh, them dino's was cold-blooded lizards".

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kuresu
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Message 38 of 173 (395963)
04-18-2007 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by jjsemsch
04-18-2007 3:11 PM


Re: My top 20: 8 of 20
as you may have been told before, radio-carbon dating is used on non-fossilized, organic materials. a fossilized tree does not count. why? fossilization replaces the original materials with minerals.
that's why no one would date that fossilized wood--there would be little to no carbon left to date, because it was replaced by minerals.

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kuresu
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Message 46 of 173 (395973)
04-18-2007 3:43 PM
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04-18-2007 3:33 PM


Re: My top 20: 9 of 20
In other words every volcano on Earth erupted for 40 days straight
too funny man, too funny. since when did "springs" mean "volcanoes"? furthermore, volcanoes don't exactly erupt water. my own personal wager--if every volcano on earth erupted for 40 days, there would be so much poisonous gas in the air that we could not and would not survive. never mind the flood.
Edited by kuresu, : No reason given.

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kuresu
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Message 51 of 173 (395980)
04-18-2007 4:07 PM
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04-18-2007 3:51 PM


Re: :laughing:
not halfway through. i did :laughing: instead of . hence the edit.

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kuresu
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Message 54 of 173 (395984)
04-18-2007 4:16 PM
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04-18-2007 4:14 PM


Re: :laughing:
did not notice the title. hardly pay attention to those things, i do.

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kuresu
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Message 117 of 173 (396518)
04-20-2007 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by jjsemsch
04-20-2007 12:27 PM


Re: Message 9: Pollen
Based on the fact that biology text books are still being used today that have Ernst Haeckel’s forged embryo drawings and pictures of dead peppered moths glued to trees, I doubt such a discovery would change the books any time soon.
you know, something tells me this is false. I definitely don't remember seeing anything drawn by Haekel in my bio textbook (Campbell, standard issue apparently, in colleges).
I also don't remember a single picture of those moths. Were both talked about? Sure--only to say that Haekel was wrong and that the moths provide a good example of natural selection working on traits.
If you have any issues with these two, we have whole threads devoted to them. try looking them up with the search function.
And yes, they would be updated. Why? Even my history book gets updated--I've got the '06 version, but they already have an '07. And nothing happened that would significantly alter an introduction to western civ. in the last year. If something did happen, it would be included without a doubt. I was using an 05 (maybe an 04) Campbell's Bio book when I took my bio class. They now have an '06 or '07 edition. If something earth-shattering for evolution (or evolutionary history) happened, it would be included.

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kuresu
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Message 150 of 173 (397347)
04-25-2007 3:14 PM
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04-25-2007 2:53 PM


Re: My top 20: 13 of 20
You make an incorrect logical jump when you equate it with Darwinian Evolution. This is only a horizontal change at best.
the ToE doesn't make any claims about "upward progression". In it's most simple, it is this:
[random mutation (variation) plus natural selection]/time = change in species.
the one further postulate is that these species will either become better adapted to their environment or become extinct.
your example of sickle-cell anemia fits the bill. Those people are better adapted to surviving in malaria-ridden areas. Plus, as you say, it was a mutation. so those who have it end up having more offspring, and more succesfull offsrping (than those who don't have the mutation). that's part of natural selection.
congratulations. you just used a proof of ToE to disprove ToE.
here's a hint. Learn what the ToE actually is.

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kuresu
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Message 155 of 173 (397356)
04-25-2007 3:47 PM
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04-25-2007 3:26 PM


Re: My top 20: 13 of 20
of course. how could I have forgotten?
*scrounges around for latest "The Good Creationist" text*
hm. that explains it. The latest issue I have is from this time last year--where it clearly tells them to only avoid an education if possible.
I know I've been told that the new issue forbids an education outright, but without that issue, hard to remember.

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kuresu
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Message 172 of 173 (398407)
04-30-2007 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by jjsemsch
04-30-2007 3:54 PM


Re: My top 20: 13 of 20
The irreducible complexity in living things
I've yet to see something that actually is irreducibly complex. How about showing us one IC thing?
the complexity of the food chain
Make that "food web" and you'll have a better argument. There's hardly anything complex in a food chain, where energy moves in one direction--to the final consumer. Even in a food web all the energy moves in one direction--to the consumers. How is that movement of energy complex?

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