Perceptions of Reality

We're not talking about "right" and "wrong" here.
We're talking about reality (and perceptions thereof). Two non sequiturs don't make a sequitur. But agreement with the consensus means that one's perception of reality is safer from delusion. You seem to continuously forget that we are talking about perceptions of reality, not some imagined "real" reality.

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What does that have to do with Absolute Morality or Absolute Morals? Unknown. Under our current legal code, yes he did. Yes he was dancing to HIS perception of reality.Under our current legal codes we do not have an answer. If he was insane, then he is not legally responsible for his actions. If he was insane, then he is not morally responsible for his actions.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Ringo:And yet you posit that contradiction as a 'real' reality.Sounds like Sarte's 'No Exit' to me...Do you realize he undertood in the end? He realized the contradiction on his deathbed. I think you'll see it before then, but I can't force it upon you.

jar:An irrelevant manmade imposition?

Of course. All legality and morality we can know seems to be man made. So far no one has been able to show any other kind.Instead of your irrelevant one liners do you ever intend to post anything that is on topic and relevant?

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I posit nothing.
I simply point out that you continue to confuse your perception of reality with reality. Do you realize that deathbed realizations are meaningless?If Sartre decided on his deathbed that he liked vanilla ice cream instead of chocolate, would that support your point?

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Ringo: That's a fact...I don't believe you have said anything either.

jar:Would I be doing anything that is 'actually' wrong if I didn't?

Do you ever plan on posting something on topic? Yes, you will be continuing to not follow the rules and guidelines of this forum.You will be continuing the same behavior that has gotten you sanctioned in the past.You will be exhibiting the classic symptom of "Insanity" by repeating the same actions while expecting different results.You, as usual, will be avoiding responding honestly or supporting your assertions.You will be continuing to show that your perceptions of reality are based not on reality but on some imaginary fancy that you are actually discussing things.

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It doesn't matter what you believe. That's only your perception of reality.One belief can easily be delusion, so it holds no importance for me. I'll let the consensus decide who's "really" saying anything.

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Seriously, thanks for providing your viewpoint here. So it's good versus evil, and those who accept the bible have an inside track to good. Reality doesn't matter. Evidence doesn't matter.Science is based on illusion, the illusion of reality, the illusion that we can know anything of reality by testing and evaluation of the evidence. The question is still how do you validate your perceptions of reality. I started this thread to pursue this question, and see how some people can accept a myth of a young earth in spite of evidence to the contrary. The reality includes an old earth in an old universe. Any belief that denies such reality is no different that flat earth or geocentrism: based on a falsehood. That is artificial by definition.Enjoy.

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It is absolute.People do argue about reality, though. Some people even argue with it. (This course of action is not recommended.) Reality does not depend on anyone seeing it in order to be real. What we as individuals see of reality is limited, and thus relative.A picture of reality you can carry around in your head is not the ultimate reality. That's where you see it. But what you see of reality is limited, and thus relative, as with anyone else.That's why a bare assertion proves nothing. One could as easily say 'The only place we can find an absolute is in stinky tofu.' The idea has as much support.To establish morality or stinky tofu as an absolute, you have to show how all other phenomena depend on morality or stinky tofu. Once you establish morality or stink tofu as an absolute, you are still faced with the problem that ideas about morals or stinky tofu differ. You then either have to allow for this, or demonstrate why your idea of morality or stinky tofu is absolute. To accomplish the latter, you need to show why your idea is not just another idea but... reality.Oops. Little problem there. To establish the universal validity of your own beliefs you need to ground those ideas in reality. How are you going to do that while denying the absolute nature of reality itself?Interesting problem. Glad it's not mine. Good luck solving it. Sorry, wrong number. Show me where I ever said the physical world is absolute, must less 'glorified' it.Neither have I 'completely missed' its relativity. I have heard of Einstein.I never said the physical world is absolute. I said reality is absolute.Reality is the ultimate reality. Reality is the only thing that is real. This is true by definition.You may as well acquire a taste for it.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

I understand why you dramatize the idea of death. To sell band uniforms it helps to find trouble in River City first.But the math is incorrect.Here is your equation:

reality and life = death

In effect, you've said:

4 + 2 = 2

This equation, though, is more sound:

2 + 2 = 4

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life and death = reality

Life and death are two sides of one reality. Living things die. Dying things live.Test the math against reality. I think you'll find it holds up.Reality. It's what's for dinner.______Edited by Archer Opterix, : html.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

On the contrary: to establish 'the moral law'--or stinky tofu or anything else--as an absolute you must first establish it as a reality.The supremacy of reality is a given. Because if it isn't real it's unreal. Unreal things are notoriously bad at being absolute. Oh. So you DO think reality is absolute.Well, well.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

Archer:I know I have not listened enough. But you have not either...I agree that reality is absolute.