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Zhimbo Member (Idle past 6037 days) Posts: 571 From: New Hampshire, USA Joined: |
If Edwards was telling people "you should get cheap haircuts because it isn't nice to spend lots of money on haircuts when there are poor children in the world", then he'd be a hypocrite.
As it is, I find the fuss rather hard to fathom. Actually I don't. It's just part of the "Liberals are effete" meme.
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nator Member (Idle past 2195 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I just don't get that thing with Edwards and the expensive haircut.
I mean, Bill and Melinda Gates run the largest endowment charity in the world, and I don't see anybody demanding that they sell their mansion and move into a basement two-bedroom apartment in a complex on the ourskirts of Pierre, SD.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Neo-cons lambaste liberals for being "tax and spend", while in the meantime they embark on "borrow and spend".
In reality, "tax and spend" ("don't spend what you don't have") is far more the traditional conservative stance, while "borrow and spend" is historically the great failing of traditional liberalism. Budget deficits are not conservatism is action. Also there's the "big government" charge against liberals. What administrations have been the ones expanding government? If I understand things correctly (and I may be wrong), it's the so called conservatives. Moose Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith "I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3954 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
he's referring to the fact that someone has to make the thing that captures the wind. it's probably made of metal or plastic. if it's made out of plastic, it's nonrenewable. if it's made out of metal, you had to burn something to heat it up.
i guess the hope is that the mills will last long enough to replace their own costs a few times. but in any case, i think the biggest solution is to run the infrastructure on alternative fuel, the factories, the shipping. consumer products themselves are really a very small impact. but their manufacture... that's big.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3954 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
i do. but i do it quietly. i don't think anyone should have a house bigger than they absolutely need. but then i'm an asshole.
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2539 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
hm. let's see here.
we have Abraham Lincoln. Father of the GOP. Massive increase in Federal Power. Then we have FDR. Father of the New Deal. Massive increase in Federal Power. Then we have Dubbya. The Son of the Father. A very large increase in Federal Power. LBJ and Reagan can be included in this list.In all actuality, every president has increased federal power to some degree. Some just in very big ways. The traditional conservative position has been to have smaller government. However, the GOP was founded on furthering federal power at the expense of state government (vast over simplification here, mind you). My area actually isn't US History. I'm studying Western Europe (and have just started on that road, really). ABE:I should add this. The Cold War was the witness of continual expansion of federal power at a rate never seen in US history before. Seems like an ever present threat is the perfect excuse to expand your power. So every president beginning with WWII has increased federal power. My personal bet is that the GWOT will have the same thing, and we're well on our way too. Edited by kuresu, : No reason given.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2518 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
So, we've basically come to the conclusion that the conservatives / fundamentalists have a solid lock on hypocracy.
Now I have two questions: 1) Why?2) Why don't their legions notice this?
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2539 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
do you consider Mao to be conservative? If not, then his program of opening up, letting new ideas come forward, is hypocrisy on a very deadly scale. He said--we welcome criticism and new ideas--and then killed the people who came forward. So much for the welcome mat.
pre-ABE:second sentence is written badly. That "opening up" is hypocrisy regardless of Mao's political inclination. If he's a "liberal", then you have a liberal example of hypocrisy on a very deadly scale.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2518 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Maybe, but there's two problems. Mao is outside of the American ideas of "liberal" or "conservative". Additionally, though I didn't say it, I was looking for more current examples - like people who are alive at this time.
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3623 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
So, we've basically come to the conclusion that the conservatives / fundamentalists have a solid lock on hypocracy. That's ridiculous. What about the so-called liberals who insist on free reproductive choice for themselves but praise China's one-child policy as being such a sensible thing for the people of China? What about so-called liberals who ask us to be offended on their behalf if their elected president tells them something that turns out not to be true, who then turn around and say a 'strongman' in the Saddam Hussein mold is just fine for the people of Iraq? Real people do this. The kindest thing I can think is that people just aren't thinking. They are reacting. They use the oppositon party as their lodestar and feel that, as long as they aren't agreeing, their compass is pointed to true north. They end up wandering all over the map. These are not principled positions. If they were, what would the principle be? That rights are a privilege to which 'liberal' Americans are entitled, but other people in the world don't rate? No thinking person believes all the mischief is on one side in any complex society. To think so is to be half blind. Interestingly, reesearch shows that most people do get their political loyalties from their families of origin in much the same way as they inherit their religious beliefs. Party loyalties, like church loyalties, are for most people extensions of family loyalties. My Tribe = Always Good This is not thought. In democratic societies the true liberals--by the dictionary definition--tend to be the so-called 'moderates.' They are the people who tend to be the most truly generous in their approach. They are less likely than their highly partisan neighbours to pre-judge. They are open to ideas of merit regardless of the source. They can see the honour on both sides of the debate. ___ Edited by Archer Opterix, : typo repair. Archer All species are transitional.
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DorfMan Member (Idle past 6107 days) Posts: 282 From: New York Joined: |
quote: Thought you might enjoy this: I am cow, eating grassMethane gas comes out my ass And out my muzzle when I belch Oh, the ozone layer is thinner From the outcome of my dinner I am cow, I am cow, I’ve got gas -the Arrogant Worms WordPress › ReadMe
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2518 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
What about the so-called liberals who insist on free reproductive choice for themselves but praise China's one-child policy as being such a sensible thing for the people of China? Can you name one? And even if you can, do you realize that there is a difference between outlawing all abortion as a means to punish people who have sex and changing that tax laws to favor people who have only one child?
What about so-called liberals who ask us to be offended on their behalf if their elected president tells them something that turns out not to be true, who then turn around and say a 'strongman' in the Saddam Hussein mold is just fine for the people of Iraq? This is simply not hypocracy. A hypocrite would say, "I'm offended that GWB lied to us to get us into the war, but I'm not offended that President X lied to us to get us into war Y". Personally, I don't give a shit of Saddam is in charge of Iraq or not. I certainly don't think it's my job to get rid of him. That doesn't make me a hypocrite, that makes me an isolationist. If I was a hypocrite, like the Conservatives, my position would be this:"Saddam is bad for Iraq, he's mean to his own people, we need to go in there and fix this situation. But, I don't think we need to go in to stop the genocide which is actually happening in Africa."
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
And I take it those windmills grew out of the ground and flew to the US all the way from Spain by themselves?
Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3623 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
I mentioned individuals 'who insist on free reproductive choice for themselves but praise China's one-child policy as being such a sensible thing for the people of China.'
Nuggin swings into action thus:
Can you name one? I can name several. Friends of mine. I'm not making this up. It only takes one 'hypocrite' on the left, BTW, to falsify your statement about monopolies. Did you really think none existed?
And even if you can, do you realize that there is a difference between outlawing all abortion as a means to punish people who have sex and changing that tax laws to favor people who have only one child? If you think China's 'one-child-per-family policy' is about tax breaks, you know nothing about China's one-child policy. The policy is about strict government control of reproductive choice. _____ Edited by Archer Opterix, : html. Edited by Archer Opterix, : brev. Edited by Archer Opterix, : html. Archer All species are transitional.
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nator Member (Idle past 2195 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Is there any reason we couldn't make windmills here? AbE: We actually do make them here. I found at lest 4 companies that manufacture them. Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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