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graft2vine
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Message 76 of 233 (395742)
04-17-2007 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Juraikken
04-16-2007 6:44 PM


Re: YES incorrectly read! lol
juraikken writes:
there is no second set he only made them all once, and then in the garden of eden he BROUGHT them out of the ground IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN ONLY for Adam to name.
He brought them out of the ground? Were they hibernating? Rather it says that He formed them from the ground... this is an act of creation in Genesis 2.
Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof.
God put man in there then brought forth all the plants and animals for adam to name!
He didn't bring them into the Garden from the outside either.
there is no alternate creation, it is the continuation of genesis 1. God made the world, plants, then animals then created man THEN created the garden of EDEN, not the world AGAIN
I see it as a parallel account rather than a continuation of the creation in Genesis 1. Genesis 2 fills in the details of Genesis 1. Here is how I combined them, putting every verse in its proper order of time.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Over the course of Genesis 2, it encompases days 3 through 6.
woah! ive never heard this idea before, but then who is this SECOND man? ADAM is the first ever man, the entire bible will agree to this, so then tell me who this other man is?
The second man is the remade man, made in the image of God which is Jesus Christ.
Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
that meerely explains God made Adam then he also created Eve, not the SAME exact Adam. key word is "another"
The first vessel is Adam and the last vessel is Christ (the last Adam).
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
meaning God created both Man and Woman from dust and both are capable to honor and dishonor.
Rom 9:22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
This is not talking about man and woman, but is the same as in Jeremiah. The vessel of wrath is the first vessel (Adam) whereas the vessels of mercy are the last vessel, born again, into the body of Christ.
Eph 4:22-24 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
this has nothign to do with physical creation but your acceptance of salvation makes you a NEW MAN, the old man(without god) is decietful and evil and the new man(with god) is riteousness and holy.
Again, this old man is born of Adam (created on the 3rd day) and the new man is born of Christ in the image of God (created on the 6th day).
i dont understand the part "the last Adam was made a quickening spirit"
I think it means spiritual man, born of God.
i THINK this verse is talking about the first man being Adam and the second man being Jesus
You got it! And is the same in all the previous verses I shared.
the second part i understand even though we are borne on earth and look like earthlings we ALSO look like God in looks not powers. God made us in his own image so thats why we would have the image of the heavenly.
Sort of. The first Adam is born of the earth and therefore made in the image of the earth, however in the likeness of God... likeness only and not image. The second Adam is made in the image of God as well as likeness. The difference between likeness and image is the same as comparing yourself to the person standing next to you (likeness), and the person you look at in the mirror (image). What is the difference? Raise your arm. Did the person standing next to you raise their arm or did they give you a funny look? Do the same thing with the mirror. Yes, your image raised his arm... your image does what you do!
The image of God does the works that God does. Jesus is the image of God and unless we are following Him doing what He does, we have not been made in the image of God!! We are still then of the first Adam, created on the 3rd day and God has not finished His work of creation in us.
I hope what I have shared already addresses the rest of the comments in your post, I can continue, but I'd be saying the same things.

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graft2vine
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Message 77 of 233 (395900)
04-18-2007 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by ICANT
04-16-2007 11:12 PM


Re: YES incorrectly read! lol
ICANT writes:
Everything in Genesis 2:4 through Genesis 4:26 took place the same day as Genesis 1:1
Interesting! I have considered a similar view but didn't stop at Gen 4:26. I considered everything up until Noah's flood was in Gen 1:1. It is a variation of gap theory which I have held before but not to sure about now. Genesis 1:2 indicates the the earth was covered with water. So where is the flood in Genesis 4:26?
This man was made after the heavens and earth. He was formed from the dust of the earth and God breathed the breath of life into him.
He was made in the image of the earth and the likeness of the heavens. One thing that shows a difference between likeness and image is when Jesus walked the earth.
Phl 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Jesus was in the likeness of man but did not do the sinful deeds of man.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Jesus is the image of God, doing the deeds of the Father.
He is Son of man and Son of God.
Man on the otherhand is made in God's likeness, and starting out in the image of the Earth. The image of God comes after.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
This man was created (spoke into being)in Gods image on the 6th day.
Now how much time was between the first man and the second man, only God knows.
Only God knows how much time in terms of man, but in God's time it was about 3 days.
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Juraikken
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Message 78 of 233 (396202)
04-19-2007 5:37 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by ICANT
04-16-2007 11:12 PM


Re: YES incorrectly read! lol
ICANT writes:
Everything in Genesis 2:4 through Genesis 4:26 took place the same day as Genesis 1:1
impossible a woman cannot bear two sons in a DAY
if you are on the gap theory then that also fails, if a day doesnt mean a literal day then plants die before the sun comes up
ICANT writes:
his man was made after the heavens and earth. He was formed from the dust of the earth and God breathed the breath of life into him.
same man, what makes you think its another?
ICANT writes:
The seven days of Moses starts with Genesis 1:2 through Genesis 2:3
7 days of moses? what?
ICANT writes:
Gene 5:1 (KJS) This [is] the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
ok woah! you have completely misunderstood the "in the day" part in all of genesis.
1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
the sentence structure is completely different than that which you say it is. in the day that God created man....it goes on to explain what that man was made like "in the likeness of God made he him" then it goes on to detail "male and female created he tem; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created." thats in teh day tehy were created, its not like one day equals to hundreds of years, the gap theory doesnt work....
ICANT writes:
This man was created (spoke into being)in Gods image on the 6th day.
they are both the same person, Adam only one.
ICANT writes:
BTW Adam and man are the same word in OT Hebrew. As is Eve and Woman
that helps ME a lot, "and he called their name Adam.." they meaning Adam and Eve.
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Juraikken
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Message 80 of 233 (396205)
04-19-2007 6:06 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by graft2vine
04-17-2007 6:22 PM


Re: YES incorrectly read! lol
graf2vine writes:
He brought them out of the ground? Were they hibernating? Rather it says that He formed them from the ground... this is an act of creation in Genesis 2.
no they were not hibernating, but its odd tho if its the act of creation they why is everything happening ONLY in teh garden of Eden? what happened to the rest of the word?
graft2vine writes:
He didn't bring them into the Garden from the outside either.
god put Adam in the garden of eden and out of the ground formed the animals ONLY FOR THE GARDEN OF EDEN!!!!!!!!!!! the entire world was alredy filled up with animals except for the garden of eden
your order doesnt work, when it already says "nd every plant of the field before it was in the earth" then you talk about Adam being made and then again "Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."
if i never read the current bible and read your version, i would say somethings amiss because it looks like God is speaking in a different way here when you start talking about creation of man, than he did with the earlier verses
so basically he formed, man, woman, grass, animals, and the garden of eden all in one day? hmm good division seeing as how it takes one day to divide teh firmament from the waters....
wait wait wait, adam went a day without sunlight? what the heck? how could any tree be pleasing to the eye if he cant even see past his nose?
very well done, but it has quarks it just doesnt fit.
i can just as well make one too:
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
13And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
that can sound just as good, but i never used chapter 2, you dont need chapter 2 to explain creation.
ANYONE can rearrange creation to make it seem great, i can even rearrange it 10 more different ways and it would look good, but would it be real? i could even say the sun was creatd first then humans, then animals then plants....
graft2vine writes:
The second man is the remade man, made in the image of God which is Jesus Christ.
cannot be, because Christ was already created long before creation "in teh beginning was the word and the word was God"
graft2vine writes:
he first vessel is Adam and the last vessel is Christ (the last Adam).
they are both the same man, Christ is never part of this and CHRIST IS NOT MAN, CHRIST IS GOD, so thats complete blasphemy to say THE SECOND ADAM IS JESUS. cuz you cannot classify Jesus as man
graft2vine writes:
whereas the vessels of mercy are the last vessel, born again, into the body of Christ.
first you tell me the second vessel IS Christ and nwo you tell me they are born again people IN christ?
graft2vine writes:
Again, this old man is born of Adam (created on the 3rd day) and the new man is born of Christ in the image of God (created on the 6th day).
christ was not created on the 6th day then that means "in the begining was the Word and the Wrod was God" its not true.
do you not believe in Trinity? Father, Son, Holy Ghost? if the trinity is true then all three of them SHOULD be there are the SAME time,
"Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"
if trinity doesnt count then who is US? Jesus is already there from the beginning! US meaning (Father, Son, Holy Ghost)
so does that mean that They make Jesus again? but you cant make another Jesus! he was already THERE with God even before the beginning of the world, there is no second Adam, both accounts are about ONE Adam
graft2vine writes:
Sort of. The first Adam is born of the earth and therefore made in the image of the earth, however in the likeness of God... likeness only and not image. The second Adam is made in the image of God as well as likeness. The difference between likeness and image is the same as comparing yourself to the person standing next to you (likeness), and the person you look at in the mirror (image). What is the difference? Raise your arm. Did the person standing next to you raise their arm or did they give you a funny look? Do the same thing with the mirror. Yes, your image raised his arm... your image does what you do!
The image of God does the works that God does. Jesus is the image of God and unless we are following Him doing what He does, we have not been made in the image of God!! We are still then of the first Adam, created on the 3rd day and God has not finished His work of creation in us.
I hope what I have shared already addresses the rest of the comments in your post, I can continue, but I'd be saying the same things.
its a lovely way of explaining salvation BUT, it has nothing to do with creation lol

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graft2vine
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Message 81 of 233 (396426)
04-19-2007 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Juraikken
04-19-2007 6:06 AM


Re: YES incorrectly read! lol
juraikken writes:
no they were not hibernating, but its odd tho if its the act of creation they why is everything happening ONLY in teh garden of Eden? what happened to the rest of the word?
The garden of Eden is the focus in Genesis 2 and where God was doing His creating. The plants and animals created in the garden spread out to cover the rest of the world just as man did.
so basically he formed, man, woman, grass, animals, and the garden of eden all in one day? hmm good division seeing as how it takes one day to divide teh firmament from the waters....
No, the garden of Eden covers 3 days. Man and grass on the 3rd day, animals and woman on the 6th day. So Adam was alone (with the grass and trees) for 3 days while God was creating elsewhere on the 4th and 5th days.
Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
wait wait wait, adam went a day without sunlight? what the heck? how could any tree be pleasing to the eye if he cant even see past his nose?
It was Eve that saw the tree pleasing and that was on the 6th day.
first you tell me the second vessel IS Christ and nwo you tell me they are born again people IN christ?
Either or, Christ and the born again are One in nature as the second vessel. Christ is the head while we are the body.
do you not believe in Trinity? Father, Son, Holy Ghost? if the trinity is true then all three of them SHOULD be there are the SAME time,
Yes I do believe in the Trinity. Jesus is the image of God, and the man created in the image of God on the 6th day is IN Christ.
so does that mean that They make Jesus again? but you cant make another Jesus! he was already THERE with God even before the beginning of the world, there is no second Adam, both accounts are about ONE Adam
Jesus is the firstborn among many brethren.
Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

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Message 82 of 233 (396571)
04-20-2007 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by graft2vine
07-28-2006 7:28 PM


Re-3rd day
quote:
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
". Notice the heavens and earth have been made, but there is no mention of all the host of them.
You mean God could only do half a job. He was not able to speak all into existence at once? What kind of a God do you have?
Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
Water came up from ground and watered the face of the earth.
After the rain, the first thing God did was create flesh man (of the earth). This was before any plants were created.
How do you get rain it did not rain for at least 1700 years.
Gen.2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
God makes Adam on the 3rd day, followed by the vegetation. God places him in the garden. Then God makes fish and animals on the 5th and 6th day. God brings them to Adam so he could name them. Then God makes man into the image of God.
How do you get to this summation from Genesis 2:8?
Would you please explain how you can sum up these things from the fore going verses you have alluded to?

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 83 of 233 (396578)
04-20-2007 10:48 PM
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Re: Re-3rd day
You mean God could only do half a job. He was not able to speak all into existence at once? What kind of a God do you have?
The kind of God I have created the world in 6 days, not all at once.
Are we having a nice discussion here or are we starting out with insults?

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Message 84 of 233 (396771)
04-22-2007 12:11 AM
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Re: Re-3rd day
Are we having a nice discussion here or are we starting out with insults?
I was asking how small was your God.
Sorry if that was an insult.
How about answering the rest of my post especially:
quote:
Would you please explain how you can sum up these things from the fore going verses you have alluded to?

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 85 of 233 (396933)
04-23-2007 12:57 PM
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04-20-2007 9:53 PM


Re: Re-3rd day
I was asking how small was your God.
A Spirit cannot be measured in terms of size. He is the God of the Bible, Creator of Heaven and Earth, the God whom or Lord and Savior Jesus Christ prayed to as his Father, My God and your God.
Water came up from ground and watered the face of the earth.
That is called rain.
How do you get rain it did not rain for at least 1700 years.
Genesis 2:6
How do you get to this summation from Genesis 2:8?
Would you please explain how you can sum up these things from the fore going verses you have alluded to?
God makes Adam on the 3rd day, followed by the vegetation. God places him in the garden. Then God makes fish and animals on the 5th and 6th day. God brings them to Adam so he could name them. Then God makes man into the image of God.
God makes Adam on the 3rd day, followed by the vegetation. (Gen 2:7-2:9 see also Gen 1:11-1:13 for the corresponding day in which the vegetation was brought forth)
God places him in the garden. (Gen 2:8)
Then God makes fish and animals on the 5th and 6th day. (Gen 1:20-1:25) (Gen 2:19)
God brings them to Adam so he could name them. (Gen 2:19-2:20)
Then God makes man into the image of God. (Gen 1:26-1:27) (Gen 2:21-Gen 3:22)
Note: I can't pin point exactly when Adam was made in the image of God, but Genesis 3 gives us a clue.
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
The eating from the tree of knowledge represents the offence of the Law, and is the beginning of the process of being made in God's image.
Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Rom 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Now the Tree of Life comes by way of Jesus Christ. It is through becoming one with Christ that we are made one body, in the image of God.

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Message 86 of 233 (396937)
04-23-2007 1:37 PM
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04-23-2007 12:57 PM


Re: Re-3rd day
Trying to combine the creation stories in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 is like trying to conflate the Big Bad Wolf in Little Red Riding Hood with the Big Bad Wolf in The Three Little pigs.
The problem there is that the wolf is killed in both stories, so it can't be the same wolf.
The problem you have is that the creation of man and the creation of animals is mentioned in both stories, but the order is different. There is no way to reconcile the stories except by torturing them both, like you do.

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Message 87 of 233 (396961)
04-23-2007 3:22 PM
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04-23-2007 1:37 PM


Re: Re-3rd day
Hi Ringo, How you doing?
ringo writes:
There is no way to reconcile the stories except by torturing them both, like you do.
Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, [are] all things: to whom [be] glory for ever. Amen.
Peace to you Brother!

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Message 88 of 233 (396967)
04-23-2007 4:40 PM
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04-23-2007 3:22 PM


graft2vine writes:
How you doing?
Well, I haven't been struck blind yet, which is why I repsonded to your post.
Romans 11 makes a nice sermon text and all, but it has nothing to do with the topic. "Belief" is not an excuse for coming up with any bizarro conclusion you want.
Bottom line: Genesis 1 clearly states that man (Hebrew: adam) was created on the sixth day, not the third. Nothing you have said changes that.
Some people twist Genesis 1 to make it fit Genesis 2. Others twist Genesis 2 to make it fit Genesis 1. The only good thing that can be said for your argument is that you twist both equally.

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Message 89 of 233 (396980)
04-23-2007 6:09 PM
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04-23-2007 4:40 PM


ringo writes:
Well, I haven't been struck blind yet, which is why I repsonded to your post.
Bottom line: Genesis 1 clearly states that man (Hebrew: adam) was created on the sixth day, not the third. Nothing you have said changes that.
Indeed. And I don't intend to change that fact. Hmmm... Lets pick this up in post 73 where I explain that there are two creations of Adam. Like to hear your thoughts. http://EvC Forum: Adam was created on the 3rd day -->EvC Forum: Adam was created on the 3rd day
The only good thing that can be said for your argument is that you twist both equally.
It is a delicate balance, no twisting though ...except perhaps from traditional thought.
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Message 90 of 233 (396989)
04-23-2007 7:57 PM
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In Message 73,
graft2vine writes:
Where in the Bible does it say that God created plants and animals twice?
That's your basic error right there. No, it doesn't say they were created twice. Neither was the Big Bad Wolf killed twice. It's two separate stories.
The different orders in Genesis 1 and 2 are a clue that the stories are different, but the orders themselves aren't even particularly important. Neither order is central to the story and neither order comes close to the known scientific order.
You'd be better off forgetting the order altogether and not trying to reconcile the two different stories.
Your New Testament references - Romans, Ephesians, Corinthians and Peter - are irrelevant. You can't use the New Testament to rewrite the Old.

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