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Author Topic:   YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, adonai, lord, elohim, god, allah, Allah thread.
ReverendDG
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Message 177 of 298 (350595)
09-20-2006 7:40 AM


Heres something interesting i read recently: at one point the hebrews called Yahweh Ba'al as a name they borrowed it from the caanites until jezebel tried to start a cult and the yahwehists killed it off
In the early stages of Hebrew religion, Baal is mentioned many times, reflected in his name being used for names, i.e. King Saul named a son Ishbaal. But with the Hebrews, Baal may have been used as a synonym for Yahweh. As a matter of fact, the attempt of Queen Jezebel of Israel in the 9th century BCE to introduce the cult of Baal met so strong opposition, that from this time on, the term baal was no longer used with positive connotations.
from:Page not found - i-cias.com
Until after the time of Solomon, it appears that the Hebrews used the word "baal," "Master, Owner" as a synonum of Adon, Lord. Among the sons of King Saul, who was certainly not a worshiper of a pagan god, were Merib-Baal, "the Lord contends" and Eshbaal (originally, ish-baal), "man of the Lord," (I Chronicles 8:33,34; 9:39, 40) and even one of King David's sons was called Beeliada (originally baal-yada), "the Lord knows" (I Chronicles 14:7), who is called Eliada (el-yada), "God knows" in II Samuel 5:16.
from:http://www.jewishgates.com/file.asp?File_ID=799
interesting stuff how the name of god has changed over the centuries
good site about gods many names
just thought i'd add something here

  
ReverendDG
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Message 211 of 298 (396811)
04-22-2007 7:45 AM
Reply to: Message 208 by Buzsaw
04-20-2007 8:53 PM


But buzz YHWH/YAHWEH/JEHOVAH are titles just the same as Allah is, God really only has names that dipict something about him, he's not named JEHOVAH like a man is named bob, they all just discriptions of the creator
2. The proper name of your Islamic Quranic god is Allah, which means god or the god. There is only one proper name of the gods of both the Bible and the Quran and they are not one and the same.
now you are just nitpicking, arabic christians call the christian god allah, so it is the same god
I don't know where you're from, but I do know this. If you are from one of the fundamentalist totalitarian Islamic nations and you go on a preaching mission preaching Jehovah, the god of the Bible you will find yourself in serious legal trouble and likely in prison or dead. Or if you go on a preaching mission preaching the gospel of the Biblical god's son Jesus the same fate will befall you.
well duh, the same thing would happen in a christian dominated country
you make it sound like christians have some sort of worse plight than muslims do
All the alleged names cited in this link are not proper names but descriptive adjectives of the Quranic god Allah. The Bible is full of this sort of descriptive language regarding the Biblical god Jehovah also
all the names we give to the creator are discriptive, what name doesn't discribe him?
even the name "god" is a description
what is he? he is a god or the god
he has no names that arn't describing something about him, say if we named him bob that might not be true, what does the name bob discribe?
calling a guy named bob tiny would be the same thing, its a label but its not his name
The old saying goes, "iron sharpens iron." so we all acquire wisdom, knowledge and understanding as we dialog and debate on
the wonderful www.
i hope so, but i'm wondering if you arn't being a bit one sided about this, considering

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ReverendDG
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Message 221 of 298 (397024)
04-23-2007 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by Buzsaw
04-23-2007 10:04 PM


Rizal, what say you to my last message? How can your god Allah be inspiring your prophet and his followers to kill and persecute the followers of Jehovah's messiah when Jehovah does the opposite, ispiring Jesus and his desciples to kill nobody, no not even those who persecute them?
where is god saying this buz? and you know that islam doesn't consider jesus the messiah
Why, Rizal, is preaching of Jehovah and Jesus in most fundy Muslim nations forbidden openly? How can one and the same god be against it/himself? You people are just not making a lot of sense.
buz go read what people believe please, they consider both the NT and OT corrupt, why would you teach something that you consider a lie?
the jews did the same thing, they would kill anyone who led the people from the path they believed was the right one, they considered many christians minim for doing so
the only problem you seem to have is the fact that they don't consider jesus anything more than a prophet. god is still god.

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ReverendDG
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Message 222 of 298 (397027)
04-23-2007 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by Buzsaw
04-23-2007 10:19 PM


LOL. You no way have made sense of your argument about Jehovah and the mainline translator/scholars agree. They have enough sense to understand that the English language added the Js and the Vs et al. You're the odd one out on that count.
well go learn some language history buzz, the "J" sound is a conversion of the "Y" sound in german, english is a distent relative of german, but the J sound is borrowed
To keep repeating your falacies does not make them any more true and that's all you ever do on these counts. Believe what you want. I can't help you if you choose to believe falsehoods.
wow thats amazing! your blind willful ignorence about the history of the bible is just astounding, hebrew scholars both conservative and liberal, conservative christian scholars and liberal ones agree that the origins of the name jehovah is a corruption of YHWH and adonai.
LOL also on the moon god thing. Nobody has ever empirically refuted that Allah was once a pagan moon god in the region. Certainly he wasn't the only god to these people for eons. They worshipped over two hundred including him. Not so in the Bible with the Jews so far as ligitimate. Jehovah was to be their one and only god ever.
allah is a title, it was the title for sin, until islam took over, and they worship YHWH under the name allah
for fucks sake buz christians in those countries call god allah.
i mean come on what do you want for empirical evidence? i mean come on you are dictating someone elses beliefs, the fact is that allah may have been used for a title for Sin the moon god is irrelevent now
it would be like someone saying your beliefs are invalid because at one point yahweh was storm god that people worshiped along side el, and tiamat
the fact is they don't worship the moon god, they worship the jewish and christan god
the whole allah=moon god at one point is a red herring and a weak argument
Not so in the Bible with the Jews so far as ligitimate. Jehovah was to be their one and only god ever.
thats crap and you know it! this is complete and utter BS!
do you even read the bible? why did god keep having to punish israel? oh because they would stop worshiping him and start worshiping other gods maybe?
this is rather silly don't you think?
The fact is archaeologists have found that the jews worshiped the goddess Asherah, who was the queen of heaven, wife of yahweh
in fact Jeremiah condemns it
they have found jars with her image,statues, and poles used for her worship
revisionism has led to the abusurd belief that yahweh was the only god, but they worshiped ba'al and el as well

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