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Author Topic:   The problems of big bang theory. What are they?
Neutralmind
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Message 16 of 389 (397136)
04-24-2007 4:12 PM


Okay, here's a seriously non biased website and a quasar in front of a galaxy (apparently).
The Picture that Won‘t Go Away
Is there anything into this? Btw, don't just bash the site, I want to know if there's really any validity.
edit: Okay, this is the NGC 7319 which some of you mentioned. Still, is there any validity to the claim that is in front of the galaxy?
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Message 17 of 389 (397139)
04-24-2007 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Neutralmind
04-24-2007 4:12 PM


What makes you say that it's "non biased" ? Wouldn't it be better to just say that it presents an argument for Arp's claims ?
(In fact it seems to be a neo-Velikovskian site so I would very much doubt that it is "non biased")

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Neutralmind
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Message 18 of 389 (397140)
04-24-2007 4:25 PM
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04-24-2007 4:22 PM


If you didn't catch my sarcasm (looking back I don't see how you could have though) that's just... Unlucky.
This is why we must keep the smilies people!
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Message 19 of 389 (397141)
04-24-2007 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Neutralmind
04-24-2007 4:25 PM


The Arp paper is available in html for free, apparently. I'm not qualified to judge, though.
AbE: the paper says, "More studies are required, since this is the only system found so far in which there is the possibility of demonstrating more clearly that the QSO and galaxy are interacting."
Probably good advice.
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Message 20 of 389 (397150)
04-24-2007 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Coragyps
04-24-2007 4:34 PM


I'm not qualified to judge, though.
Maybe not, but surely you can pick up the gist???
"Look, look isn't this strange if the QSO is not associated with the galaxy? Oh, the referee says to point out that this isn't so strange... but imagine if it was strange!!! Then we'd have the proof we want..."
Repeat the above about four times through the paper, then conclude with your forgone conclusion anyway.
This is pretty poor stuff... I'm quite taken aback myself. Then there is his comment near the end on X-ray QSOs being abnormally associated with galactic nuclei - does not mention selection effects of observation. How were these X-ray QSOs detected? - if only several of them were because of galactic X-ray observations that then discovered an X-ray source in the QSOs themselves, then the correlation is immediately explained.

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Message 21 of 389 (397152)
04-24-2007 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Neutralmind
04-24-2007 4:12 PM


Still, is there any validity to the claim that is in front of the galaxy?
Short answer: no
Long answer: hmmm, not really, no

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Coragyps
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Message 22 of 389 (397153)
04-24-2007 6:29 PM
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04-24-2007 6:26 PM


I'm quite taken aback myself.
I was, too - I had assumed before reading it that I wouldn't be qualified. I wouldn't have wanted my name on there, and I'm just a Messier Club certificate holder!

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Message 23 of 389 (397165)
04-24-2007 7:39 PM
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04-24-2007 6:29 PM


I'm just a Messier Club certificate holder!
amatuers have all the fun What does that mean? You've observed the entire Messier catalogue? Nice one. So how far off are you from your NGC Club certificate

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Message 24 of 389 (397174)
04-24-2007 8:16 PM
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04-24-2007 7:39 PM


I have the NGC 400 Club too.

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Message 25 of 389 (397204)
04-24-2007 11:07 PM
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04-24-2007 8:16 PM


Herschel?

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Message 26 of 389 (397212)
04-24-2007 11:52 PM


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Message 27 of 389 (397241)
04-25-2007 6:23 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Neutralmind
04-22-2007 6:10 PM


Problems with the Big Bang.
Are you looking for problems with specific models about how the universe evolved following the Big Bang? There are some open questions on most of these, which I'd be happy to provide if you want to talk about them.
On the other hand, if you're looking for problems with the conclusion that the universe came from a high-temperature, high-density state in the distant past (essentially that there was a Big Bang), then there genuinely isn't really any open problems with that idea.

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Message 28 of 389 (397378)
04-25-2007 5:54 PM


You have to read books like manifolds, topology and physics. They are
inertia and gravity come together that produce entropy.
Edited by catman62@bellsouth.net, : kirk edward gaulden

Neutralmind
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Message 29 of 389 (397380)
04-25-2007 6:14 PM
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04-25-2007 6:23 AM


Re: Problems with the Big Bang.
Are you looking for problems with specific models about how the universe evolved following the Big Bang? There are some open questions on most of these, which I'd be happy to provide if you want to talk about them.
I'm only familiar with the most "mainstream" BB theory, that the universe began (if you'll excuse me) from a singularity. If there are open questions for this theory then yes, I'm interested.
I'm looking for observations that are still contradictory, peculiar or unexplained by the big bang theory, the problems what astronomists and physicist are trying to solve.
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jackal5096
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Message 30 of 389 (400241)
05-11-2007 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Zhimbo
04-23-2007 8:05 PM


quote:
You can't tell just by looking if a quasar is in front of a galaxy. Galaxies aren't solid masses, so it's quite possible to see through them.
If that were so, why do so many astronomers brag about using gravitational lensing to see behind a galaxy?
For example, in this NASA photo NASA claims that a single quasar, located behind the galaxy, appears four times, in four quadrants, around the galaxy in front of it, due to gravitational lensing. Yet, the quasar is not directly visible through the galaxy.

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