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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Most importantly, how do explain what appears to be a ham-fisted attempt on your part to mischaracterise this information? The questions I raised are just that questions. If you want to refute something refute:
quote: "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Why is this so? The only way it could get here is to evolve from something. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. Jesus is speaking to a lost religious rich Pharisee. He is not talking to one of His children whom he has blessed.
Mat 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. quote: Ringo, why did you not give the explanation that Jesus gave to His disciples. Would that be because it did not serve your purpose. With God all things are possible. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
That does not even make sense. Unless you are a born again child of the King you won't understand.
quote: This is the biggest problem with people trying to understand the Bible. iceage, do you have any understanding of the end time events that will take place at the second coming of Jesus according to the Bible? Jesus will come to claim His Bride, The Church.The saved will receive new bodies. The judgment seat of Christ will take place. The marriage of the Lamb will take place. The nations of the earth under the anti-Christ will go up to destroy Jerusalem. Not all nations will join in this attempt to destroy Jerusalem. Jesus will come with His Saints and angels and defeat all nations. Jesus will judge the nations. The sheep nations will go into the 1,000 year reign of Christ. At the end of the 1,000 year of peace on earth because Satan is chained in the bottomless pit. Satan will be loosed for a little season. He will deceive the nations and gather them together to go up and destroy Jerusalem. The battle of Armageddon will take place at this time. The devil will be cast into the lake of fire. All those who died without trusting Christ will be brought before the Great White Throne Judgment and judged out of the books and the book of life. Those not found written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. There will then be a new heaven and a new earth. There will be no more day and night, no sun or moon for God will be the light. The New Jerusalem will descend and God will dwell with the glorified man forever. Now folks the above statement of events is not complete just the main parts are covered. They are for information only I do not intend to explain all the scriptures that cover these statements.I do not have the year that it would take to cover them in detail and since you would not believe it anyway what would be the use. If you want more information read Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Matthew 24, Amos, and Revelation. quote: "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
at least, he can't take his earthly riches with him You got that right. That is why everything I have will go to the Church when the last one, My Wife or Myself dies.
Show us chapter and verse where Jesus blessed His children with material goods. quote: Paul said God would supply all my needs, according to His riches.I need a house, I need transportation, I need a truck for the farm, almost forgot need the farm for the house to reside on. Jesus said: "I am come that they might have life, and that they might have (life) more abundantly. BTW there are enough scriptures that apply to me without trying to apply those that apply to other people to me. I have a hard enough time with mine. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
It is not, as you suggest, merely the confusion of those not born again. I don't suggest it the Bible declares it.
quote: "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Further the treatment of the least of society is touched on not only in Matt 25 Spin Matt. 25 any way you want but it remains that Jesus is judging the nations for their treatment of the Jewish nation as God had promised Abraham.
quote: In Luke 16 the rich man's claims to external virtue did not compensate for his neglect of the poor man Lazarus. Are you saying then that the rich man went to hell because he would not feed and clothe Lazarus? "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
It's sad that you think "more abundant life" has anything to do with the size of your bank account. Who other that you said anything about the size of their bank account? "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
You were the one who brought up material goods as a "benefit" of being one of God's children. You have spent the whole thread talking about how God has blessed you materially. God has blessed me materially, He has blessed me physically, He has blessed me with the most wonderful woman in the world, He has blessed me with the most wonderful Church in the world, He has blessed me with some of the most wonderful opportunities in the world. I have been privileged to go overseas on many mission trips. I am not going to tell you how much of the things I have done that you accuse me of not doing because if I did you would say I was bragging.I won't tell you how many years of those I spent working that I was pastoring small churches that could not afford a pastor. Yes God has been good to me and for me. BTW the bank account is small. So God is going to have to take care of my needs until He calls me home on His retirement plan. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
That is a personal message not one to nations. Matt 25:32 (KJS) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: My bold and underline. The Bible plainly says nations. I can't help how you interpet it.
The division is based on the acts of kindness and mercy done by people to the disadvantaged. quote: My bold and underline. Jesus plainly said my brethren.To be a brother of Christ you have to either be a Jew or be a Born again child of God. Roma 8:14 (KJS) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 1Joh 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. Being a son of God makes me a brother of Jesus.
Matt 1:1 (KJS) The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. This is the descendants of Abraham who are the brethren of Jesus. It makes no difference what you or I say the Bible says. It only matters what God says in His Word. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
You have far more than you really need. Nobody "needs" two homes, for goodness sake. The house I have was built in 1973 on the farm I own The only other home I have is in heaven. I would be glad to sell everything to you for the upper six figures. Except the home in Heaven.(tax man says everything I have is worth less than 200k and yes it is paid for I have never paid interest on money)Then I could take it and build me another house and a couple of Churches to boot. Edited by ICANT, : No reason given. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
So it does, in fact, matter very much what you or anybody else says the Bible says, since this is the only way anybody can take in the word, right? Wrong I can say anything I want, I can believe anything I want, that does not make it True. The only thing that makes it true is if God said it. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
So it does, in fact, matter very much what you or anybody else says the Bible says, nator, what I am trying to say is that I can tell you a lie, anybody else can tell you a lie. But God cannot tell you a lie. If you really want to know what God says you can take my statements or the statements of anyone else and compare them to what the Bible says. I use the King James 1611 Version, I think it is the most accurate English version. Some of the Greek versions are better but you have to know bibical greek to understand them. When you go to compare them ask God to help you understand what you are about to read. You can do this even if you don't believe He exists. You might be supprised what He can do. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
ICAN'T, But God cannot tell you a lie. God isn't omnipotent, then.
What does God not being able to tell a lie have to do with Him being Almighty??????? "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Ezekiel 14:9 And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. 2 Thessalonians 2:11For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. I notice it says IF a prophet be deceived. God does not tell the lie in 2 Thessalonians 2:llThat is left up to you and I and a few million others. But He will allow them to believe it. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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